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Don't let the facts stop you from worshipping a dictator like Putin though. I know, he's especially lovable to the right wing right about now for his demonization of gays, so have at it.
they will claim its a right wing blog that has no meaning, or that obama used the intelligence available at the time, or that republicans also made the same claims, or some such garbage.
... Or that it's all just another "phony" claim and the big bad GOP and/or Tea Party are just to get King Obama; he and his administration can do no wrong.
also see 'appeal to consequences' fallacy. Either one fits.
The issue is whether the admin lied about WMD.
I ran across this interview of Hersh. It's lengthy but worth listening to. Hersh mentions that he voted for Pres. Obama twice. He says that he thinks Obama would have been willing to go to war against Assad but was actually stopped by opposition in the Pentagon, which Hersh says he can't fully reveal now, and the story will have to wait for historians to tell it sometime in the future.
All I know about Syria is what I've read in the papers. I have to admit that I have not even yet read Hersh's piece, which appeared in a Brit news outlet that I've never heard of. Hence I can't say either way whether Obama/Kerry actually lied. I just remember at the time being surprised that the WH (Kerry in particular) was so adamant that Assad was responsible for the use of chemical weapons. The timing didn't add up.
As for W Bush, we've been over that with a microscope on CD. Bush did not lie about WMD. Let's review the definition of lie: a lie is a false statement, which the person issuing knows to be false at the time it is stated.
I've posted this many times before, but why not one more: even Saddam's own senior officers believed, right up to the invasion, that Saddam still had stockpiles of WMD. They were accustomed to being kept out of the loop, because Saddam trusted no one. And Saddam said in interrogation after being captured that he had pursued a strategy of 'deterrence by doubt' that was mainly intended to keep the Iranians guessing about whether he still had WMD. //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ll-should.html
Your link is actually titled, "George W. Bush did not (knowingly) lie about WMDs in Iraq | Other voices - The News Tribune."
And I will 100% concede that GW Bush did not (knowingly) lie about WMDs in Iraq. It was Cheney, Rumsfeld, and 12 other members of the GW Bush White House that knowingly lied about Iraq.
The following is a copy/paste of a post I previously made in this forum about this subject.
12 members of this think tank were members of the GW Bush White House, including Cheney and Rumsfeld. This think tank is made up of oil and military supply corporations. This think tank has being wanting to invade Iraq for many, many years before Sept 11. Before Sept 11 they used the excuse Saddam was a dictator, but in reality they wanted to invade Iraq (for all the things these corporations got because of the Iraq war, I will list these things later in this post.)
After Sept 11 happened Cheney and Rumsfeld created a new office in the CIA/FBI. They then looked through all the intelligence gathered about Iraq, and they presented intelligence (that was already investigated and found to be untrue) to the American people.
The following documentary contains many high ranking US government/Military officials. Its where I first learned of the "project for the new American century."
All I know about Syria is what I've read in the papers. I have to admit that I have not even yet read Hersh's piece, which appeared in a Brit news outlet that I've never heard of. Hence I can't say either way whether Obama/Kerry actually lied. I just remember at the time being surprised that the WH (Kerry in particular) was so adamant that Assad was responsible for the use of chemical weapons. The timing didn't add up.
As for W Bush, we've been over that with a microscope on CD. Bush did not lie about WMD. Let's review the definition of lie: a lie is a false statement, which the person issuing knows to be false at the time it is stated.
I've posted this many times before, but why not one more: even Saddam's own senior officers believed, right up to the invasion, that Saddam still had stockpiles of WMD. They were accustomed to being kept out of the loop, because Saddam trusted no one. And Saddam said in interrogation after being captured that he had pursued a strategy of 'deterrence by doubt' that was mainly intended to keep the Iranians guessing about whether he still had WMD. //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ll-should.html
And Iraq had no (viable) weapons of mass destruction. The chemical weapons that Iraq had were too old to be effective, Iraq's chemical weapons were made useless by age.
So why didn't they invade in 1991, when they had the perfect chance? Again Cheney was the architect of the decision not to go to Baghdad in 1991. He thought that the Iraqis themselves would topple Saddam, and that was the preferable way to hand it. Why would he have thought that way if your conspiracy theory is accurate?
Why not go in there, get that oil, instead of waiting 12 years? Not to mention, why give up all that oil 12 years later?
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So you are going to claim that all of the following were "lying" about Iraq WMD?
-President Bill Clinton
-Every single one of Saddam's Generals when captured said Saddam had WMD
-Hillary
-Kerry
-Kennedy
-Gore who criticized Bush for being too soft on Iraq WMD
-Reid
-Pelosi
-Albrecht
-several other countries intelligence reports confirming US intel
Your comments never make sense, you just posted a video of people who were lied to, not the ones who created the lies.
so in other words you believe that bush created the lies, two years, or more, before he was elected, and then lied to the democrats, and the democrats passed on those lies to the american public. you have the real makings of a conspiracy here.
so in other words you believe that bush created the lies, two years, or more, before he was elected, and then lied to the democrats, and the democrats passed on those lies to the american public. you have the real makings of a conspiracy here.
Democrats have been lying about Iraq for over a decade. This thread is no different. The war in Iraq was not solely about weapons of mass destruction. If these people actually read the Iraqi War Resolution as opposed to just mouthbreathing out the DNC's talking points, we might be able to have a rational discussion about the topic. As it stands, there is no point in discussing Iraq with liberals because they are simply going to continue to lie no matter what anyone says.
Someone should ask Seymour what exactly the Syrians and the UN will be disposing in the coming days.
Check it out......
An advance team of disarmament experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons arrived in Syria earlier this month to set up the broader operation to dismantle and ultimately destroy the chemical program, believed to include some 1,000 tons of toxic agents.
U.N. says destruction of Syria's chemical weapons underway - CBS News U.S. officials said last week that Washington and Moscow agreed that Syria had roughly 1,000 metric tons (1,100 tons) of chemical weapons agents and precursors, including blister agents, such as sulfur and mustard gas and nerve agents like sarin.
You all understand wire-sources put the news on the wire, and then media outlets write it up and print it, usually adding their own spin to it....or omitting information that is critical to evaluation.
What I want you to look at is "....chemical weapons agents and precursors...."
A "precursor" is a chemical or compound that may be used in the manufacture of a chemical weapon agent, but is not in and of itself a chemical agent per se.
Nearly all of you have the precursors in your home or apartment, or they are available at your office or the factory where you work, to make any number of chemical weapons agents.
This is phrasing is suspicious....
"...including blister agents, such as sulfur and mustard gas..."
...because it is redundant. They're the same thing. It would be like saying Chlorox Bleach and Chlorine Bleach --- which are the same thing.
Back to "precursors"...that would be for sarin nerve agent.
In other words, what the article really says is that Syria has sulfur/mustard gas, and the precursors for sarin --- which is not proof Syria has sarin gas or that it was ever deployed.
Had you bothered to read the unclassified parts of the House Intelligence Committee that were published, then you'd know that Clinton illegally bought weapons and munitions from Iran.
Those weapons and munitions were given to al-Qaida, specifically to al-Zawahiri operating out of Albania to smuggle those weapons into Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija.
You'd also know that al-Qaida attacked Muslim communities at the direction of the US, and then Clinton blamed it on the Serbs. Clinton used the same MO to insert the US into Central Asia, overthrow governments and set up puppet dictatorships, so that the US could build air bases and military facilities in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan.
I'm guessing you're not big on MO -- Modus Operandi
The US has an history of hiring others or steering others to attack US assets or assets that will allow the US to insert itself into a given situation.
Like I've been saying for years, this is exactly how US troops will end up in eastern Russia fighting and dying for the oil, coal, natural gas, timber, strategic minerals, metal ores and other non-metallic minerals there.
You might want to open your eyes.
Disposing...
Mircea
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