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Shouldn't heating be left to... I dunno... heaters?
Incandescent's are used in places where you might need a little heat, as i already mentioned it'a an easy and safe way to help prevent corrosion in coal stove over the summer months when it's not operating.
Secondly electric heat is common and if you have electric heat your savings with CFL's are $0 in the winter time. Proabaly costing you money becsue of the greater expense for the bulb.
Because, until you are making your own electricity, which I assume you are not, you are sharing a power grid with everyone else. Power is not an unlimited resource, is not able to be stored for future use, and must be generated at the time of need. As well, power grids can handle only a certain amount of electricity. As more areas get more built up, more strain is put on the grid. If everyone uses an excessive amount of electricity, the grid shuts down leaving everyone without it. Cue energy-saving measures to allow more stuff to happen on the same grid.
Creating a crisis through government regulation and then "fixing" it with more government regulations is the new normal.
Okay, so let me get this straight. You're saying that incandescent bulbs are better for the poor? There are 75w led replacements for as little as $10 a bulb now. This means that the poor will not have to replace a bulb for 20+ years, and save 50% on their lighting energy.
So $10 for a light bulb is "good" for the poor? Are you also a big fan of "Arbeit macht frei"?
The CFLs were also advertised to last for years, yet every one I've installed has last about the same, if not less, than conventional bulbs.
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As I said, I'm not a tree hugger, but switching from incandescent and CFL bulbs to LED makes perfect sense. I'm glad you have your 100 year old energy inefficient stash of screw in glow wires. You will certainly show me how to pay less for a bulb, while paying more for the energy to run them.
Your statement about carbon footprint reduction belies that. Go preach it to the Chinese factories that are belching out toxins by the ton each minute.
You're free to purchase and use anything you wish. You are not free to mandate that I follow your path. The tree hugging advocates in government are doing it to us at gun point under the guise of doing "what's best for us" because after all, they know better than we do, right?
these new energy efficient bulbs suck. For something that is supposed to be "efficient" is more of a health hazzard if they break.
who is the clown that invented these?
Okay, so let me get this straight. You're saying that incandescent bulbs are better for the poor?
Absolutely they are.
This fall I bought 3 small candelabra types for the porch light. I'm now down to one that's dim and flickering.
8 dollars worth of light bulbs that had a shorter life than the incandescants, consumed MASSIVELY more energy to create and will create MASSIVELY more pollution when I throw them away, then the incandescants... They cost more, wasted more energy, created more pollution, used more resources than the "bad" lights they're supposed to "fix".
It's a wasteful, energy sucking, resource killing, costly mandate with no redeeming value whatsoever, that hurts people with limited budgets. All so people like you can go around feeling smugly self superior about what you want others forced to do.
It's not asinine at all. Incandescents waste 99% of the energy they take in by emitting it as heat and only 1% as light. If every American home has incandescents, all that waste seriously adds up. Plus, the law does not outright ban incandescents, it just sets standards that existing incandescents do not meet. If some entrepreneur wants to swoop in and develop incandescents that meet those standards, they are free to do so.
LOL! The law bans the production of incandescentsthat, by their very nature, won't meet those standards.
If we want to use Thomas Edison's greatest invention, that's our business. Apparently, that's exactly what most people wanted to do...hence, the law.
Don't worry I am sure China will produce millions of bulbs and we will import them. The only problem being cheap junk chinese bulbs will probably burn your houses down.......
If they expect people to recycle CFL's.....they need to make it easy and convenient.....like they do with plastic bags.
A container right where you walk in the door of the store to put them in.......I haven't seen one yet.
Talk to Home Depot - apparently, they've been offering CFL recycling in all of their stores for years. I can't find anything on their website that specifically discusses recycling, though. Wally World was also looking at offering recycling of CFL bulbs, too, but I don't know if they are doing it in all stores.
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