Light bulb ban (poll, Missouri, ammunition, supporters)
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I trust that you recycle every single one of them, as I do?
No, I don't. I recycle paper and plastic, but CFL's can't go in those bins and I have yet to find anyplace local that has a recycling bin for CFL bulbs.
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I don't get why so many people flip out about the tiny amounts of mercury in CFL bulbs, but no one seems to be so concerned about the much larger amounts of mercury in regular-sized fluorescent bulbs/ballasts that have been around, and used everyplace, for many many years.
The thread was already in P&OC when Harrier posted in it.
Habitually referring to oneself in the third person is called illeism. It's a normal stage of language development in toddlers, but it's usually outgrown fairly quickly. In adults, at best it can be seen as a pretentious and annoying habit, but at worst it can indicate serious issues. And being illeistic typically undermines a person's credibility with others, leading to absurdities like "Bob Dole shot Bob Dole in Bob Dole's own foot." I usually tune out people who talk like that, their artificiality imbuing whatever they say with a sense that they can't be trusted.
To assist in a possible transition to a normal way of speaking, I edited a few lines of your comments to show the way to Fix That For You.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
The thread was already in P&OC when Harrier posted in it.
FTFY: The thread was already in P&OC when I posted in it.
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Harrier never visits the Green Living forum, though he does compost and recycle.
FTFY: I never visit the Green Living forum, though I do compost and recycle.
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Harrier is a Republican.
FTFY: I am a Republican.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Harrier could best be described as a libertarian or a moderate conservative.
FTFY: I could best be described as a libertarian or a moderate conservative.
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He supports the legalization of all drugs and prostitution, opposes the death penalty, and favors common sense environmental regulation that does not intrude on private property rights.
FTFY: I support the legalization of all drugs and prostitution, oppose the death penalty, and favor common sense environmental regulation that does not intrude on private property rights
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Though if you try to call Harrier a moderate, many of the LWNJ's on this forum will probably die laughing.
FTFY: Though if you try to call me a moderate, many of the LWNJ's on this forum will probably die laughing.
Notice how much more natural that expression is?
I can't guarantee that people will pay any more attention to what you say, or believe you any more if you just talk normally, as in these examples, but it's a very good place to start. The other way simply lacks credibility.
What does you using CFL's in your floodlights have to do with me using CFL's in the recessed/totally enclosed fixtures in my house?
And, as far as Ohio, coal plants and mercury......what does any of that have to do with the deficiencies of CFL's?
I've been buying LEDs for awhile. I'm not sure about the amount and quantity of choices for recessed and totally enclosed fixtures. Prices have been going down dramatically just this year and I've seen some in the $4-5 dollar range.
Inefficient light bulbs use more electricity which equals more dependency on centralized coal plants with mercury deposition.
Energy efficiencies across the board always mean savings for consumers and businesses and a big weakening of the big utility companies and their obsolete models. They always resist off-grid and cogeneration approaches that promote consumer choice as well.
Inefficient light bulbs use more electricity which equals more dependency on centralized coal plants with mercury deposition.
If that is your reasoning it's negligible affect for a variety of reasons starting with most of the mercury emissions from US coal plants are deposited outside of the US... at least according to the EPA.
Now if you want to have a positive affect on mercury deposition rates lets go for the gold...literally. Ban gold jewelry, it's absolutely non essential. What's your thoughts on that?
I've been buying LEDs for awhile. I'm not sure about the amount and quantity of choices for recessed and totally enclosed fixtures. Prices have been going down dramatically just this year and I've seen some in the $4-5 dollar range.
Inefficient light bulbs use more electricity which equals more dependency on centralized coal plants with mercury deposition.
Energy efficiencies across the board always mean savings for consumers and businesses and a big weakening of the big utility companies and their obsolete models. They always resist off-grid and cogeneration approaches that promote consumer choice as well.
I understand all of that and I would have no problem using energy efficient bulbs......if they were safe to use in over 80% of the lighting fixtures in my house.
I understand all of that and I would have no problem using energy efficient bulbs......if they were safe to use in over 80% of the lighting fixtures in my house.
Why wouldn't they be? Energy saving lamps also produce less heat, which handles the main safety issue with lighting fixtures... not putting more heat into them than they were designed for.
If that is your reasoning it's negligible affect for a variety of reasons starting with most of the mercury emissions from US coal plants are deposited outside of the US... at least according to the EPA.
Wait, so you're saying that it's OK for US power plants to emit toxic mercury pollution, as long as the majority of it leaves the country? So it can pollute the oceans and poison fish all over the world? That seems to me like a very weird spin on what the EPA actually says:
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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.
Now if you want to have a positive affect on mercury deposition rates lets go for the gold...literally. Ban gold jewelry, it's absolutely non essential. What's your thoughts on that?
And this is a straw man fallacy, trying to change the subject with an argument that has nothing to do with the topic.
Why wouldn't they be? Energy saving lamps also produce less heat, which is the main safety issue with lighting fixtures... not putting more heat into them than they were designed for.
I don't know.
All I know is that it says "DO NOT USE IN RECESSED OR ENCLOSED FIXTURES" right on the base of the bulbs.
It doesn't say why.
However, I do know that manufactures use warnings like that to protect themselves from liability....not a comforting thought in this instance.
After your house burns down: "Well, we TOLD you not to use that bulb in an enclosed fixture! It's printed in big, capital letters right on the bulb!"
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