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Old 12-18-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Lets make that Obama and Liberals in general. After 5 years, they still blame Bush for all our problems. Will they still blame him should things turn around next year?

I wonder if they credit him for the OCA website debacle, Benghazigate and Fast and Furious as well?
If the Tea Party members act like adults and do not have any tantrums or shut down the government, 2014 is on track to be a good year for the economy. You can stop fretting about George Bush now and you can go back to posting about how much you hate Obama, and don't forget to blame him when the economy picks up more steam.

Outlook strong for U.S. economy in 2014 | Nation & World | The Seattle Times

Economic Outlook, Indicators, Forecasts - Your Business-Kiplinger

The Issue: Good things forecast for 2014, economy-wise [VIDEO] - UPI.com

5 Expert Predictions for the Global Economy in 2014 - Mohammed Aly Sergie - The Atlantic
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Old 12-18-2013, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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If the Tea Party members act like adults and do not have any tantrums or shut down the government, 2014 is on track to be a good year for the economy. You can stop fretting about George Bush now and you can go back to posting about how much you hate Obama, and don't forget to blame him when the economy picks up more steam.

Outlook strong for U.S. economy in 2014 | Nation & World | The Seattle Times

Economic Outlook, Indicators, Forecasts - Your Business-Kiplinger

The Issue: Good things forecast for 2014, economy-wise [VIDEO] - UPI.com

5 Expert Predictions for the Global Economy in 2014 - Mohammed Aly Sergie - The Atlantic

Ironically, the economy was on a downturn until the Tea Party gained some power in congress. It could be equally argued that their efforts to stop the worst of liberals disasterous policies allowed the economy to turn around, in spite of Obama.

Lets face it, the economy will do what it wants, regardless of who is in office. At best or worst, government policies can tweak the direction it's taking, say slow a recovery, or perhaps help a recession end more quickly, but generally not overwhelm the real world economic policies at work.
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Old 12-18-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Bush and bunch WERE responsible for the economy collapsing. This isn't a blame game, it's the very simple truth, everyone knows it, even republicans. It has taken a long slow time to get the economy moving again, with the obstruction of the right wing these past 5 years! jobs have not come back fast enough! although they are back to where they were when bush and bunch were at the helm, so again, no credit to them! So why would we give any of that group credit for anything to do with the economy? Things will turn around next year for sure and everyone will have health insurance and our soldiers will be home and most of al Queda would have been decimated and Osama bin laden is dead.m oh yeah, and fast and furious was a bush and bunch deal, it simply wasn't stopped before it crashed. Obama and gang will take the blame, although they aren't entirely at fault. Benghazi turned out to be nothing the right wing media tried to make it out as. It was a tragedy, but without funds (thanks republicans on the shutdown and sequester) money was taken away from diplomatic protections. The website, should have been micro managed much better, but it is getting fixed and will be working well before the next election, so no harm, no foul. Sorry guys, you are still going to be losers next election, ya got nada!
Looks like someone's forgotten about the likes of Dodd, Frank, etc.

Oopsie!
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Old 12-18-2013, 05:25 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Lets make that Obama and Liberals in general.

You fail right there thinking Obama is a liberal.
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Old 12-18-2013, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Bush and bunch WERE responsible for the economy collapsing. This isn't a blame game, it's the very simple truth, everyone knows it, even republicans. It has taken a long slow time to get the economy moving again, with the obstruction of the right wing these past 5 years! jobs have not come back fast enough! although they are back to where they were when bush and bunch were at the helm, so again, no credit to them! So why would we give any of that group credit for anything to do with the economy? Things will turn around next year for sure and everyone will have health insurance and our soldiers will be home and most of al Queda would have been decimated and Osama bin laden is dead.m oh yeah, and fast and furious was a bush and bunch deal, it simply wasn't stopped before it crashed. Obama and gang will take the blame, although they aren't entirely at fault. Benghazi turned out to be nothing the right wing media tried to make it out as. It was a tragedy, but without funds (thanks republicans on the shutdown and sequester) money was taken away from diplomatic protections. The website, should have been micro managed much better, but it is getting fixed and will be working well before the next election, so no harm, no foul. Sorry guys, you are still going to be losers next election, ya got nada!
Bush and DEMOCRATS who controlled the House and Senate were responsible, and that's the simple truth that liberals never admit to. The economy didn't crash until 2 years AFTER the democrats gained control of the House and went on a spending spree, which continued until Republicans got control 4 years later and somewhat slowed the spending. Funny how things didn't turn around until AFTER the Democrats lost control and couldn't spend like a crack ***** with a stolen credit card.
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:04 PM
 
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Looks like someone's forgotten about the likes of Dodd, Frank, etc.

Oopsie!
I am assuming you thought Dodd Frank was a failure? I disagree, we needed to bring back and institute new regulations so what happened to this country couldn't happen again. It was a start in the right direction. I say we need much more though. Call it what you will, hardly an oopsie though
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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Bush and DEMOCRATS who controlled the House and Senate were responsible, and that's the simple truth that liberals never admit to. The economy didn't crash until 2 years AFTER the democrats gained control of the House and went on a spending spree, which continued until Republicans got control 4 years later and somewhat slowed the spending. Funny how things didn't turn around until AFTER the Democrats lost control and couldn't spend like a crack ***** with a stolen credit card.

The economy collapsed do to 2 unfunded wars, unfunded Medicare part D (which was good but still unfunded),
The Wall Street collapse due to republican deregulation, the 9/11 aftermath and dot.com bust contributed as well, but not the faults of government, but were both contributors. But nice try on blaming Dems. It just doesn't fly. Sorry.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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Even the most optimistic view is for 3% growth growth but general its another 2+ and US even falls behind UK next year its estimated.bt then there are still a lot of fiscal problem for both continuing. Berannke talked about the problem of adjusting to new economy in world and long term unemployed numbers.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:31 PM
 
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Bush and bunch WERE responsible for the economy collapsing. This isn't a blame game, it's the very simple truth, everyone knows it, even republicans.
Uh, no. Only partisan liberals who prefer their rhetoric to the truth "know" that.

The economy collapsed when the housing bubble burst. The housing bubble was due to subprime loans. Subprime loans were started by Democrats in the Clinton administration threatening to take banks to court if they didn't make them. Bush is only responsible in that he didn't stop Clinton's policy when he got elected.
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It has taken a long slow time to get the economy moving again, with the obstruction of the right wing these past 5 years! jobs have not come back fast enough!
No. The stimulus was failure. Even Obama himself admitted it. Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the economy recovering slowly. Again, this is simply liberal rhetoric. The reality is that Obama's financial reforms, overregulation, threats of making the rich pay their fair share, healthcare reforms that drove the price of health insurance up, etc caused an unstable business climate in which companies were reluctant to invest their money.
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although they are back to where they were when bush and bunch were at the helm, so again, no credit to them!
No, they aren't back to where they were. The income gap has grown under Obama. The middle class jobs that were lost have been replaced with low paying part time jobs.
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So why would we give any of that group credit for anything to do with the economy?
You won't. It was sarcasm.

He was pointing out the disingenuous nature of liberals. If the policy works it's because you're brilliant. If the policy doesn't work, it's because of right wing obstructionism. Just how you earlier blamed Bush for the economy failing, and then blamed Republicans for it not coming back fast enough. When the President was a Republican and congress was Democrat, then the bad economy was the President's fault. When the President was a Democrat and part of congress with Republican then the slow economy was congress' fault. Now that the economy is showing signs of coming back, it's all your credit. It's so rankly partisan that it's laughable. According to liberals, nothing is ever a liberal's fault. You always, always blame someone else. And then when something does work out, the credit is always, always yours.
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Things will turn around next year for sure and everyone will have health insurance and our soldiers will be home and most of al Queda would have been decimated and Osama bin laden is dead.
Yes, things will turn around. But things could have turned around a lot sooner if liberals hadn't bungled the recovery. Liberals followed the same strategy with the recession that they did with the Great Depression, with the same results. Massive government spending and resistance to any tax cuts, with the result that recovery takes years longer than it needed to take.

Also, bin Laden was only a problem in the first place because Democrat Clinton didn't take care of him when he had the chance. And Obama only got bin Laden by using intelligence gained under Bush.
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m oh yeah, and fast and furious was a bush and bunch deal, it simply wasn't stopped before it crashed.
That doesn't change the fact that Eric Holder lied about it under oath.
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Obama and gang will take the blame, although they aren't entirely at fault.
They are entirely at fault for lying about it.
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Benghazi turned out to be nothing the right wing media tried to make it out as. It was a tragedy, but without funds (thanks republicans on the shutdown and sequester) money was taken away from diplomatic protections.
It is exactly what the right wing media made it out to be. The shutdown occurred after the attack, so that's pure dishonesty on your part to try to link them. The state department put all the embassies on high alert last year during the week of 9/11 while sequestration was in full effect, so on sequestration as well it is factually wrong to try to relate them. This is just you attempting to blameshift.

Requests for security were made, and the Obama administration denied them. Requests to go to the aid of the embassy during the attack were made, and the Obama administration denied them. There was no demonstration going on at the time, and the Obama administration dishonestly claimed there was. The CIA provided the White House with a report indicating terrorist involvement, and the Obama administration dishonestly sent Susan Rice out to claim no such information existed. These are all facts.
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The website, should have been micro managed much better, but it is getting fixed and will be working well before the next election, so no harm, no foul. Sorry guys, you are still going to be losers next election, ya got nada!
We've got millions of people whose premiums have increased and whose deductibles have skyrocketed. We've got Obama on record lying about people being able to keep their insurance and doctors. And we've got the government's own reports that they expect tens of millions of people to remain uninsured even after Obamacare is in full effect. Liberals simply try to make it all to be about the website to shift focus away from the systemic problems with the law itself.

Not one sentence in your entire post was factually accurate.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:31 AM
 
Location: College Hill
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I am assuming you thought Dodd Frank was a failure? I disagree, we needed to bring back and institute new regulations so what happened to this country couldn't happen again. It was a start in the right direction. I say we need much more though. Call it what you will, hardly an oopsie though
It's time to nationalize the banks. And that's one reason I support Elizabeth Warren for president in 2016.
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