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Are you from Camden? With all the liberally run states and towns that are doing well, economically, and academically, to use a few failing cities as the sampling population when correlating outcomes of liberal economics shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
Most large cities are run by liberals. Saying "Camden is run by liberals" is meaningless when you consider that so are a lot of other large cities that aren't exactly on the verge of collapse.
Not being on the verge of collapse does not equate to being well run.
Minneapolis, Boston, Seattle, and New York are quite liberal too. And are in much better shape than Camden.
There is alot of poverty, low education attainment, and drug problems in Appalachia, and this is a much more conservative area than Camden.
It's completely unfair to compare Minneapolis, Boston, Seattle, and New York to Camden. The demographics simply aren't an apples to apples comparison. Camden and Appalachia have more in common than Camden and Boston do.
And again, this isn't a conservative vs. liberal issue. This is "are the parents involved with their children's education"? That's all it really is. When parental involvement is high, the results are much better. Sure, you'll still have some kids that struggle (and fail, and even drop out) when their parents are involved, but kids that have no parental involvement have a huge disadvantage, starting very early.
It's completely unfair to compare Minneapolis, Boston, Seattle, and New York to Camden. The demographics simply aren't an apples to apples comparison. Camden and Appalachia have more in common than Camden and Boston do.
And again, this isn't a conservative vs. liberal issue. This is "are the parents involved with their children's education"? That's all it really is. When parental involvement is high, the results are much better. Sure, you'll still have some kids that struggle (and fail, and even drop out) when their parents are involved, but kids that have no parental involvement have a huge disadvantage, starting very early.
That is very true, which is why it is stupid for anyone to say Camden is a reflection of liberal cities like a few right wingers have tried to claim.
Like most states with the best schools. Statistically, northern liberal states have good education and southern conservative states have poor education. So you don't have much of a point. Clearly, Camden is an exception.
That's an inaccurate statement. You take any area, in any state, with a significant amount of white collar, college educated parents and you will have better performing schools.
NJ is a very liberal state with great schools (in the white collar suburbs- some that lean heavy Republican) and lousy schools (urban areas - Democrat run).
We are told by liberal activists that funding is an issue to improving education. Well Camden is an Abbot district, a district where a judge thirty plus years ago ordered had to be funded by NJ to make it more "equal" with wealthier districts. All this money and Camden can only yield 3 college level high school graduates.
No one buys that throw more money at it any more. Its time to eliminate those who don't care to learn to allow those that do to get better education. World results show that.
That's an inaccurate statement. You take any area, in any state, with a significant amount of white collar, college educated parents and you will have better performing schools.
NJ is a very liberal state with great schools (in the white collar suburbs- some that lean heavy Republican) and lousy schools (urban areas - Democrat run).
You shouldn't speak about NJ if you don't know much about it. The top schools in NJ are in minority-heavy democratic towns. The makeup of towns like Princeton, West-Windsor, Plainsboro, East Brunswick, etc. have a much higher concentration of minorities than surrounding towns.
It's completely unfair to compare Minneapolis, Boston, Seattle, and New York to Camden. The demographics simply aren't an apples to apples comparison. Camden and Appalachia have more in common than Camden and Boston do.
And again, this isn't a conservative vs. liberal issue. This is "are the parents involved with their children's education"? That's all it really is. When parental involvement is high, the results are much better. Sure, you'll still have some kids that struggle (and fail, and even drop out) when their parents are involved, but kids that have no parental involvement have a huge disadvantage, starting very early.
My whole point was that this isn't about liberal vs conservative. That is why I put up counter-arguments. People use Camden to say "this is what you get when you have a liberal city", ignoring that there are many conservative places in conditions of squalor and bad education. I even said in an earlier post that part of this was about the parents and about how the kids are raised. I know the aforementioned cities have nothing in common with Camden, which is why I chose them. I know Camden and Appalachia have more in common with one another than Camden does with Boston, hence why I used the example. It was to make a point that this has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative.
If the kids are saying "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am", it says something about how those kids were raised. However, there is something else to consider. How many kids actually take the ACT? I'm not trying to discredit you in any way. I just feel there is more to it.
It says more about the community and what it deems acceptable and appropriate behavior.
Like most states with the best schools. Statistically, northern liberal states have good education and southern conservative states have poor education. So you don't have much of a point. Clearly, Camden is an exception.
Camden is not an exception but I do agree in the main with you. Liberalism per se isn't the problem here.
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