Breaking: Utah's Same-Sex Marriage Ban Struck Down by Federal Judge (insurance, money)

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by hammertime33

Don't give me that nonsense. We're not talking about fundamental rights - we're talking about legal rights.

Like the right to sue for wrongful death and loss of consortium in a court of law, or the right to shop at a military commissary as a family member, or the right to sponsor a foreign spouse for a green card, or the right to inherit property without a will, etc.

There are no rights other than inherent ones.

Rights come from our creator(or natural law, if you don't believe that we were created), not from people.

If they come from people, then they can be taken away.

You clearly have no idea what the term "right" actually means.

[css9450]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Why are marriage licenses necessary.

What business is it of the government to be involved in marriage?

Because marriage is a LEGAL institution! Is it that hard to comprehend?

[hammertime33]

Originally Posted by Harrier

There are no rights other than inherent ones.

Yes there are. Privileges, benefits, protections, immunities, and responsibilities created by and arising from laws are collectively called legal rights. But if you insist on acting like an obstinate child, I can start referring to them as privileges and immunities when I talk with you so you won't get confused.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by weltschmerz

Please leave your Creator out of it. When bigots run out of arguments. they take refuge behind the bible.

Do you prefer the term "natural law"?

That implies the same concept, and is inclusive to people who are atheists.

[Kerby W-R]

Happy holidays to New Mexico, Utah and Ohio on recognizing marriage
equality. It seems some states will have to be dragged into the 21st century
kicking and screaming. The United States Supreme court has already said
what it thinks of this kind of discrimination when it struck down DOMA.
Indeed...Happy Holidays !

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

Well, perhaps I should have said "the right to have these benefits."

Why do people have a right to have those benefits?

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by Lunar Delta

Oh, a wise guy eh? You know full well what I meant.

What did you mean?

Harrier is not a member of La Cosa Nostra.

He is not even Italian.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by Cinebar

Yup.
My ex left the family when our youngest son was four months old. I have remained single.

You didn't willfully place your children in a sub-optimal situation.

Gay people do willfully place children in sub-optimal situations.

[hammertime33]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Why do people have a right to have those benefits?

Absent a state law creating those privileges and immunities, people have no inherent right to them.

However, if a state crafts such a law, then "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens ... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by hammertime33

They have no such duty to defend the constitutionally of a law. Their duty is to enforce the law, which they faithfully did.

No they didn't.

They flat out refused to defend the law.