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Old 12-31-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Just to point out on the question of veracity that if you accept Adam and Eve then you discount the DNA records for several hundred thousands of years. While I give you that each person is allowed to think that which they want, it is not ok to enforce laws which hold those "truths" as fact. The test here is not religious correctness per the bible, it is liberty per human dignity. A group of people larger or smaller does not have a right to enslave others just because they wish to and back that up with "evidence". Just as the Mexican War sought to enslave the indian population and the white settlers set up schools along with dress codes etc. preaching that some people do not have a right to marry is the identical position as the Mexican Army took towards the squaws and warrior's children. There is no difference in the conduct.

That is why ultimately all people purple, brown and all colors of the rainbow and of gender will be free to marry whomever they wish.

It's a better bet to be on the side of history and of freedom…any day of the week.

 
Old 12-31-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It's always an occasion to rejoice when freedom and justice for all widens. Always.

And please, notice I said "for all" so that doesn't mean freedom to do anything, I'm beginning to see your way of arguing.

And it seems you don't have the faintest idea about what tyranny is. Even if I'm too young to gave lived this of course, it's a lot more ingrained in my conscience and my culture, as a citizen of a and a continent that has known absolute monarchy, nazism, fascism and stalinism.

Count yourself lucky that you don't know what tyranny is. But that shouldn't keep you from educating yourself and stopping making outrageous fallacies.
Harrier knows what tyranny is - he is a victim of it.

So are you, but you are two brainwashed by liberalism in France to recognize it.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Adam and Eve have nothing to do with religion and their story is indeed a fact.

They are your ancestors.
I actually did lol when I read your post. All my years on this forum and that is a first
 
Old 12-31-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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It's always an occasion to rejoice when freedom and justice for all widens. Always.

And please, notice I said "for all" so that doesn't mean freedom to do anything, I'm beginning to see your way of arguing.

And it seems you don't have the faintest idea about what tyranny is. Even if I'm too young to gave lived this of course, it's a lot more ingrained in my conscience and my culture, as a citizen of a and a continent that has known absolute monarchy, nazism, fascism and stalinism.

Count yourself lucky that you don't know what tyranny is. But that shouldn't keep you from educating yourself and stopping making outrageous fallacies.
Perhaps he has never been to a country like your own where tyranny arrived time after time. Nice is a lovely lovely place. Thanks for participating.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Nice, France
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The state of Utah is the victim of judicial tyranny, in a blatant violation of the U.S. constitution, just as were us citizens of California not long ago.
And from what I read, it is the anti gay marriage laws that are in blatant violation of the US constitution. Marriage isn't even MENTIONNED in the constitution. What is mentionned however is that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Ammendment 14.

Isn't it a pity when it's a foreigner who knows your own constitution better than you?

Here's an interesting site for you and after the "marriage" entry, I suggest you look up "god" and then "separation of church and state".

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

Happy to do that for you, don't thank me.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Well after all France gifted the Statue of Liberty to the USA so it's not really that much of a stretch.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Nice, France
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Harrier knows what tyranny is - he is a victim of it.
How so? and how do you define tyranny then?

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So are you, but you are two brainwashed by liberalism in France to recognize it.
I know this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship, Louie, but I'm just one person and not two And this one person is absolutely not under tyranny.

So let me add to your ignorance of tyranny your ignorance of liberalism also. That begins to be a heavy luggage.

What about freedom frightens you so much?

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Old 12-31-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Harrier knows what tyranny is - he is a victim of it.

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That's it!

You see yourself as a victim! You're a victim of this and of that. Of the democrats and the liberals and tyranny and your liberal pastor and the "gay army". (There is none but WTH people who see themselves as"victims" are always seeing things that aren't there) .... Of course! How silly of me not to recognize it. You think you are a victim. It's sooooo much easier to go through life seeing yourself as a victim. Why take responsibility for what happens to Vizio when Vizio can tell the world.... I'm a victim.

Great post. Simple, revealing and to the point. Gotta give you a rep.

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Old 12-31-2013, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Nice, France
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I actually did lol when I read your post. All my years on this forum and that is a first
That's why I can't think he means it. I must not be as open-minded as I thought I was, it's beyond my ability of imagination that semily educated people can actually believe that.


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Perhaps he has never been to a country like your own where tyranny arrived time after time. Nice is a lovely lovely place. Thanks for participating.
Thank you! I only moved here recently but I love it yes!

I think it's not only a question of having been to a country (although I'm sure it would help were he to spend a few months in a dictatorial place), it's a question of milleniums of history also.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And from what I read, it is the anti gay marriage laws that are in blatant violation of the US constitution. Marriage isn't even MENTIONNED in the constitution.
No, it isn't.

But these are:

Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

As a Frenchman(or woman), you really ought not be trying to explain the U.S. constitution to an American.

Si'l vous plait, monsieur/mademoseille.
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