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See this is my point. Not one fact is made and names are called.
What names? I called NOBODY names. I stated clear and unambiguous fact. There is no difference between your definition of a moderate and a flaming lefty.
How am I the problem?
Mike Lee?
Cruz?
Those are moderates. They do occasionally distinguish themselves from from the radical left, but only sometimes. Someone on the right... Well, none are in office. They would be people like... Oh... Tom Woods or Judge Napolitano.
Didn't call anyone names? You said FLAMING LEFTY. Well if that isn't calling anyone names. Then republicans are all ignorant bigots... Ted Cruz is not a moderate. Mike Lee is not a moderate.... You have no idea what a moderate even means.
Anyway, you just named two Republicans and called them flaming lefties. I don't think I want to discuss politics with you any further.....
The vast majority of Americans describe themselves as 'in the middle'.
...and a fiscal conservative that was liberal to moderate on the social issues (or a social liberal that is fiscally conservative if you prefer) would win in a landslide if people would vote their conscience instead of the party.
The problem is that if you take an issue like gay marriage that's not a make or break deal on who I'll vote, it's not at the top of my list of concerns. The politician will cater to the extreme because they are less likely to lose my vote that the extreme. That happens on both sides of the aisle... The tail is wagging the dog in Washington.
I would define moderate as someone that is fiscally conservative and liberal on the social issues, I think that is where most people in the US are. There is not a whole of difference between what the center left and center right want except perhaps some disagreements over how to get from point A to point B.
I would define moderate as someone that is fiscally conservative and liberal on the social issues, I think that is where most people in the US are. There is not a whole of difference between what the center left and center right want except perhaps some disagreements over how to get from point A to point B.
Why wouldn't a person who is fiscally liberal and socially conservative be a moderate?
Moderate describes how extreme one's views are, not what those views are.
"The Moderate Party, as a whole, takes no official stand on “social issues,†and each individual candidate, if elected, would be directed to vote their conscience. The focus of the party is the economy, education, ethics, and environment of Rhode Island, which they refer to as "the 4 E's"
Moderate focus on building an economy and education reform. They don't say end all welfare like the republicans. The try to reform programs to make it work. Alot of moderates i know believe in workfare. Something that the democrats would never allow.
So, there is nothing to distinguish a "moderate" from a flaming lefty, really.
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Now that is dangerous to depend on moral stance of elected official as seen time after time. No Thanks.They are elected to represent the stance of voters that voted for them and the platform they support to get elected. Nothing wrong with that .The real truth is that is better controledl by states and local to reflect the culture locally.Otherwise it leads to conflict more often.
Moderates, like the ones of Rhode Island, take no stand on social aspects.
"The Moderate Party, as a whole, takes no official stand on “social issues,†and each individual candidate, if elected, would be directed to vote their conscience. The focus of the party is the economy, education, ethics, and environment of Rhode Island, which they refer to as "the 4 E's"
Moderate focus on building an economy and education reform. They don't say end all welfare like the republicans. The try to reform programs to make it work. Alot of moderates i know believe in workfare. Something that the democrats would never allow.
Taking no stand on social issues is not moderate....and we are drowning in that mindset.
America will fail because so few take a stand on social issues....or anything else that matters.
Faux News, LibNBC, are all to caught up on themselves. They are not fair and balanced and are the most opinionated news channels Ive ever seen. We need political parties that focuses on facts and numbers, not social. USA will not prosper when all we do is divide people up. We have radical ruling both sides. We also need to put more pressure on Congress.
Basically, we need less people who lean (right or left), and more people who use common sense.
Needless to say, I strongly disagree with this. Conservatism is not "radical," but it is the desire to restore (and continue to maintain) the Constitutional limited government established by our founders, which has proven itself to be the best system of government ever devised in the history of man, and able to lift more people out of poverty than any system in history, bar none.
The Liberty and Freedom that was established by our constitution has allowed for more innovation, and pursuit of excellence than anywhere else in the world, as people strive to achieve their dreams, epitomized by the phrase, "in pursuit of the American Dream."
We have one political Party that has made it its purpose to destroy that system, and replace it with Marxist/socialist "collectivism," which guarantee's only one thing: Decline and decay.
The task we have before us is clear. We must thwart that effort, stop it dead in its tracks, and reverse course. The alternative is the death of America, and the "American Dream."
So, there is nothing to distinguish a "moderate" from a flaming lefty, really.
Really. You said it right here...
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Needless to say, I strongly disagree with this. Conservatism is not "radical," but it is the desire to restore (and continue to maintain) the Constitutional limited government established by our founders, which has proven itself to be the best system of government ever devised in the history of man, and able to lift more people out of poverty than any system in history, bar none.
The Liberty and Freedom that was established by our constitution has allowed for more innovation, and pursuit of excellence than anywhere else in the world, as people strive to achieve their dreams, epitomized by the phrase, "in pursuit of the American Dream."
We have one political Party that has made it its purpose to destroy that system, and replace it with Marxist/socialist "collectivism," which guarantee's only one thing: Decline and decay.
The task we have before us is clear. We must thwart that effort, stop it dead in its tracks, and reverse course. The alternative is the death of America, and the "American Dream."
Ok, If that's the republican parties ideal, why are they ramming the NDAA and Patriot act down our throats... Why did president Bush launch us into a recession? Why are there so many racist republicans that there can be a whole website devoted to it http://republicansareracists.com/? Republicans have alot of the same issue Democrats have... None of those parties are any good for the country.
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I would define moderate as someone that is fiscally conservative and liberal on the social issues, I think that is where most people in the US are. There is not a whole of difference between what the center left and center right want except perhaps some disagreements over how to get from point A to point B.
This is also a good example of a moderate. However, their is no current political party to support these ideals .
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