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I find no "liberal" views (as "liberal" is used today) in the bible.
Further, I don't see that quoting another person to make a point is "parroting," if the point is well made and makes a valid argument.
Parroting is when one makes use of the "talking points" that we hear and read in the media, without making an argument. Simply stating platitudes is not an argument.
I assume you are referring to my OP with your last comment. I pointed out why Jesus could not be a socialist, and I think the evidence of scripture speaks for itself on that. Socialism, which is a system based on class envy, and a system that seeks to make everyone equal (not equal opportunity, but equal outcome) by taking from those who have more and redistributing it to those who have less, is wrong. Jesus never advocated for such a system, nor would he have. Jesus taught charity. Government redistribution is not charity.
Jesus also never judged people the way you do, and he promoted loving your enemy.
Further, I don't see that quoting another person to make a point is "parroting," if the point is well made and makes a valid argument.
Parroting is when one makes use of the "talking points" that we hear and read in the media, without making an argument. Simply stating platitudes is not an argument.
I assume you are referring to my OP with your last comment.
No, I was referring to the person who quoted Limbaugh talking points.
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I pointed out why Jesus could not be a socialist, and I think the evidence of scripture speaks for itself on that. Socialism, which is a system based on class envy, and a system that seeks to make everyone equal (not equal opportunity, but equal outcome) by taking from those who have more and redistributing it to those who have less, is wrong. Jesus never advocated for such a system, nor would he have. Jesus taught charity. Government redistribution is not charity
You haven't read a word that has been posted here
I am not saying Jesus was a socialist, but some wealthy democrat Christians truly believe that the government is a useful tool to help the needy, so they support welfare programs. Being wealthy they do not envy anyone, and they also do not expect to get "free stuff" from anyone. They know full well THEY are the ones paying for the stuff, but they are not attempting to lower themselves to the level of the poor. Where do you get these talking points? I am independent Christian, and I do not mind paying my taxes knowing many poor people benefit from it. I also give to the church. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Jesus also never judged people the way you do, and he promoted loving your enemy.
End of thread.
Really? Jesus certainly judged the Pharisees.
Besides, I'm not judging people here. I'm judging what some have said about Jesus, and I'm judging an evil political system, which is based on envy, or covetousness.
I don't think you know what he meant about loving your enemies.
Besides, I'm not judging people here. I'm judging what some have said about Jesus, and I'm judging an evil political system, which is based on envy, or covetousness.
I don't think you know what he meant about loving your enemies.
So when Jesus said not to judge others he was full of crap.
Are you calling Jesus a hypocrite and liar just to suit your own agenda????
Where do you get these talking points? I am independent Christian, and I do not mind paying my taxes knowing many poor people benefit from it. I also give to the church. The two are not mutually exclusive.
They are not "talking points." Everything I have written are my own thoughts and arguments.
I do not have a problem with a certain level of welfare; however, our welfare system is totally out of control.
Besides, I'm not judging people here. I'm judging what some have said about Jesus, and I'm judging an evil political system, which is based on envy, or covetousness.
I have been trying to get you to answer my questions about this "envy" claim, but I am getting a feeling you are evading it.
You see everything from the recipient (the poor) viewpoint, and it seems to upset you that they receive something for free. However, the view point here is what Jesus taught, and He was talking about the GIVERS viewpoint, not the recipient. You judge the recipient as envious, but let's talk about the giver: Why do you suggest wealthy Democrats (aka the GIVER) are envious?What do they covet by supporting programs which they believe help the poor?
ALL governments redistribute wealth. When a government collects monies from its citizens to provide for the COMMON defense--they've just redistributed the wealth. Otherwise, only the citizens with money to pay for protection would be protected, and those without money would not be protected. When a government collects monies from its citizens to build roads and bridges, it is redistributing the wealth.
Your assumption that any government hates success is silly. Governments don't hate or like or love or feel anything. But governments depend on the success of a society's economy and culture. If a society fails, the government perishes along with it.
Certain taxes are for valid reasons. We do need to support our military in order to maintain a defense. That is a given. We also realize that highways need to be built and maintained. No one is arguing against those things. And, that is not "redistribution of income."
Redistribution of income is "transfer payments" (and also excessive welfare).
Excessive taxation of the wealthy for egalitarian purposes, as is advocated by our President because of some perceived "income inequality" (as though that is a problem), is wrong. That is Marxist/socialist ideology, and it is evil.
The government is made up of people. Each party has an ideology. The ideology of the Democrat Party is to punish the rich. They do this out of hatred for those who have more than others (hypocritically, since there are many rich Democrats, including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi).
I wish that the Obama administration understood your last point, about the success of a nations economy. They are sending us over the cliff fast.
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