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Old 12-24-2013, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Ask the British government of the day. They're the ones who chose to sully his legacy in the first place.
Yet, that sullying continues to be perpetuated.

It doesn't appear that Turing ever wanted his behavior to be publicly known.

Why keep the focus on his being gay, rather than on his professional achievement?

Harrier learned about Turing and never knew that he was gay.

What purpose is served by harping on that irrelevant factor?

 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:00 AM
 
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Except that you value him being gay more than you do his accomplishments.

That is twisted.

Let the man be a human being for goodness sake, not your mascot.
That's not remotely true. But even if it were, it wouldn't mean I was marginalizing his accomplishments.

I think your problem is you don't know what "marginalize" means.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:00 AM
 
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What purpose is served by harping on that irrelevant factor?
Looking back through these posts, no one's mentioned his sexual preference more than you.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:02 AM
 
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Looking back through these posts, no one's mentioned his sexual preference more than you.
Harrier wouldn't have to do that if the gay army wouldn't make such a big deal of the man being gay.

Harrier has to educate them.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:04 AM
 
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That's not remotely true.
Fair enough. But it seems as that is what is occurring.

If his accomplishments really are more important than him being gay, then there should be no need to mention homosexuality at all when discussing Turing.

Which is it?
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:09 AM
 
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Fair enough. But it seems as that is what is occurring.

If his accomplishments really are more important than him being gay, then there should be no need to mention homosexuality at all when discussing Turing.

Which is it?
Why is it inappropriate to talk about this man's persecution and the cutting short of his life and potenital due to the fact that he was gay?

Is it inappropriate to talk about Jesus's persecution at the hands of the Romans because of his religious faith?
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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Why is it inappropriate to talk about this man's persecution and the cutting short of his life and potenital due to the fact that he was gay?
It is not, but it is inappropriate when that overshadows what Turing did and accomplished.

It has the effect of making him into a caricature rather than a vibrant human being who quite possibly could be credited with saving the world.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:13 AM
 
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It is not, but it is inappropriate when that overshadows what Turing did and accomplished.

It has the effect of making him into a caricature rather than a vibrant human being who quite possibly could be credited with saving the world.
Do you forget where you are? A discussion of his professional accomplishments would be appropriate for the Science and Technology or the History forum.

This is the forum to have a discussion about his persecution for being gay and his being pardoned 60 years later.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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Do you forget where you are? A discussion of his professional accomplishments would be appropriate for the Science and Technology or the History forum.

This is the forum to have a discussion about his persecution for being gay and his being pardoned 60 years later.
Why is that controversial?

Harrier thinks that we should all be able to agree that Turing should be pardoned.
 
Old 12-24-2013, 01:22 AM
 
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Turing also published pioneering work on early computers, writing in a 1936 paper of a "universal Turing machine". Having told people he was trying to "build a brain", his theory was the first to consider feeding programs into a machine as data, allowing a single machine to perform the functions of many - just like today's computers.

Read more: Alan Turing, who broke Enigma code in World War II, pardoned by Queen over conviction for homosexuality

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