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the jewish dietary laws dont apply to christians. as to the rest, most of us accept all people because we know that we also are sinners and fall short of the glory of god. that doesnt mean we have to accept the lifestyle, or the choices people make when they go against god. hate the sin, love the sinner
I wonder if Jesus had to follow Jewish dietary laws. I suppose he must have, what with being Jewish and all.
Oh, but wait! Being Christ, was he a Christian? So he didn't have to follow Jewish dietary laws?
It's all so confusing.
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the jewish dietary laws dont apply to christians. as to the rest, most of us accept all people because we know that we also are sinners and fall short of the glory of god. that doesnt mean we have to accept the lifestyle, or the choices people make when they go against god. hate the sin, love the sinner.
In other words, these so called Christians pick and choose what parts of the Old Testament applies to them and what parts they can handily skip, eh?
I seems that many right wingers, mainly from the south, use religion as an excuse for their hatred.
The whole Duck Dynasty issue has been making headlines and the right winger are using the "it's his religious views" excuse.
The interesting thing with the hard right is that they choose the cherry pick only two issues, gay marriage and abortion. If they were "true christians" why are they not also attacking other teaching of the bible like:
Premarital sex is a sin?
Masturbation is a sin?
Divorce is a sin?
The those with wealth are to share with those that are poor?
and a big one Leviticus 11:10: And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you
It's funny as the DD did a whole show on crawfish (forbidden by the bible) and is also a common cuisine for other southern "christians"
The big question is why do these supposed "christians" choose to cherry pick certain versus yet completely ignore the rest of the bible?
Your regional prejudice is noted.
Having grown up on the north (New York) I can say I have seen much more prejudice exhibited there than I have witnessed living in the South.
The reason?
They are sins that are pushed upon others to accept that they do not agree with.
Thieves, masturbators, and other sinners et al do not go around asking to be validated by society.
hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
Religion in a nutshell.
no, people in a nutshell.
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If so, that does describe how many treat homosexuals. Do you know the meaning of prejudice?
you do understand that hating a sin is different from hating a person right?
This is where the battle is now. In years past it has been alcohol, gambling, dancing, divorce, divine right of kings, etc, with a centuries long battle over the Trinity. As a new issue becomes prominent it is then the issue to be dealt with. You don't worry about a blister until it appears on your skin.
I wonder if Jesus had to follow Jewish dietary laws. I suppose he must have, what with being Jewish and all.
Oh, but wait! Being Christ, was he a Christian? So he didn't have to follow Jewish dietary laws?
It's all so confusing.
Because most Christians do not understand the bible and are easily lead to put themselves under the law of Moses. When the apostle Paul came onto the scene he was gave a new gospel of Jews and Gentiles together in one body serving Christ. He also freed believers from the law because the thrust of his gospel was " we are under grace and freed from the law.
Most Christians can not comprehend this freedom and get lead astray by the church. Such as, Christians are taught sometimes by their church that they should tithe 10%. But that law was gave to the Jews and Jews only and no where in Paul"s gospel who was the apostle of the gentiles do Christians find that requirement. Instead Paul says to give with a cheerful heart.
What a lot of Christians do is take the Law, the life of Jesus, and Paul"s new gospel and mix and match them into one message. In ignorance they did not heed the Apostle of the Gentiles {Paul} words where he said " we should divide the word of truth". And they get in jams like this thread of why are they not obeying the law themselves. So it is a good question of where does this logic come from? how is it right for me to point to the law about homosexuality and ignore almost all the rest? Why do Christians shackle themselves with the Law of Moses that was gave to the Jews and Jews only and think that have to tithe 10%?
Myself, being logical and all have choose to heed the words of the apostle of the gentiles Paul since I am non Jewish. The thrust of Pauls message was freedom, freedom from the Law. Instead of shackling down my self and others with the law I think about Paul's words of " working out your own salvation with fear and trembling" .
Because most Christians do not understand the bible and are easily lead to put themselves under the law of Moses. When the apostle Paul came onto the scene he was gave a new gospel of Jews and Gentiles together in one body serving Christ. He also freed believers from the law because the thrust of his gospel was " we are under grace and freed from the law.
Most Christians can not comprehend this freedom and get lead astray by the church. Such as, Christians are taught sometimes by their church that they should tithe 10%. But that law was gave to the Jews and Jews only and no where in Paul"s gospel who was the apostle of the gentiles do Christians find that requirement. Instead Paul says to give with a cheerful heart.
What a lot of Christians do is take the Law, the life of Jesus, and Paul"s new gospel and mix and match them into one message. In ignorance they did not heed the Apostle of the Gentiles {Paul} words where he said " we should divide the word of truth". And they get in jams like this thread of why are they not obeying the law themselves. So it is a good question of where does this logic come from? how is it right for me to point to the law about homosexuality and ignore almost all the rest? Why do Christians shackle themselves with the Law of Moses that was gave to the Jews and Jews only and think that have to tithe 10%?
Myself, being logical and all have choose to heed the words of the apostle of the gentiles Paul since I am non Jewish. The thrust of Pauls message was freedom, freedom from the Law. Instead of shackling down my self and others with the law I think about Paul's words of " working out your own salvation with fear and trembling" .
There's nothing logical about heeding the bible. Faith isn't logical.
You are correct. Logic is a man made discipline that has flaws as every one who has studied logic knows.
Faith transcends human logic.
Faith-Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
Yep no flaws in that. I want to know where Christians got the idea of hell from.
Thieves, masturbators, and other sinners et al do not go around asking to be validated by society.
You are correct, you do not have to recognize (validate) the 1 out of 4 Americans who do not share your religious beliefs. Or the 2 out of 3 humans on this planet that do not share your religious beliefs.
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They are sins that are pushed upon others to accept that they do not agree with.
Just who is it that is pushing you to accept a sin that you do not agree with? Are there people out there telling you what you have to agree to?
It is no wonder Christians feel persecuted. They do not understand the difference between agree and accept. With all due respect, the entire world is aware of the Christian objections to our current society. We have heard you loud and clear. I have to assume you have tried to pray the gay out of people, to pray the thought out of women considering abortion. Do you have any other actions planned to rid the world of gays and potential abortions, or can we expect more redundant speech?
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