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"If a mandate was a solution we could try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house. The reason they do not have a house is because they do not have the money. Our focus has been on reducing cost and making it available. I am confident that if people have a chance to buy high quality health care that is affordable, they will do so."
So now he mandates we all must buy insurance and he makes it less affordable for everyone, and unaffordable to people who used to have insurance. Why do so many politicians think that getting elected to office suddenly empowers them with knowledge, skill and wisdom that they simply do not now, and never have possessed?
who is paying for the property taxes..
the electrical bill...
the heating oil/gas bill...
the water/sewer bill.....
yep let's just give everything......hmmmm
We could have 500 children who were exactly the same, with the exact same family life, and by the age of twenty years old, 10% of them will be permanent losers, leeching off society all their lives. Meanwhile, their fellow classmates will have money taken from them by government to support, feed, clothe and house that 10%, for the rest of their lives. In many states, 25 cents of every dollar in taxes goes towards Medicaid alone.
The bleeding hearts want to remove the stigma from everything that is is a detriment to society. I say it's time to re-stigmatize unwed mothers, dropping out of school, people engaging in extra marital sex, and people living off government assistance. There was a reason why those things were frowned upon, because they are harmful to society.
You're a renter. You do not pay ANY property taxes. You pay rent, which may or may not be used by your landlord to pay taxes.
Your rent is set based on what the market can hold, and has little to do with taxes.
Uh, actually he does pay property taxes.
The property taxes are included in the price of the rent.
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Originally Posted by Neuling
Those with mental and drug problems are often simply not capable of taking care of an apartment and their lives, they need more help than just an apartment. Some have other medical problems as well, but not the money to go to the doctor.
While that is true, Liberals have via the court system and legislation tied everyone's hands behind their backs.
Any person who cannot maintain an household is by definition: "incompetent."
In a just world, a so-called "homeless" person would be declared incompetent, and then institutionalized at some level.
Again, unfortunately, Liberals have via courts and legislation done everything in their power to prevent helping the "homeless."
The Veteran's Administration has a little more power. 90% of your so-called "homeless" vets are substance abusers.
The VA offers care for them in an institutional-type setting of a group home. A certified person operates the home, and the veterans share rooms in an home-environment. Their meals all cooked and provided for them, and VA social workers drop by frequently to ensure residents attend their medical appointments and have an adequate supply of medication in their day-planners for the week/month.
Another level of care has someone what less supervision, but still has adequate structure, where the Veterans are in what is effectively an hotel-type environment (SRO - single room occupancy). There, the Veterans are responsible for preparing and providing their own meals, but still have supervised outings for shopping etc.
And then up from that, Veteran's are assisted obtaining independent living options, but a VA social worker makes regular check-ups to ensure the Veteran is attending their substance abuse meetings, medical appointments and such.
Non-veterans do not have such options, thanks to Liberals who would rather see the "homeless" in the streets with everyone throwing money at them, while the Liberals scream that the people throwing money aren't throwing enough of it fast enough.
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Originally Posted by Neuling
And regarding existing shelters for several homeless at once, I heard that many avoid them as they are afraid someone might steal their few possessions while sleeping.
That is true.
Around 1996 or so, the City of St Petersburg (FL) spent $8 Million on a "state-of-the-art" "homeless" shelter, and none of the "homeless" would use it, because it had "rules" like you had to be sober, you had to be in the shelter by 9:00 PM, you had to look for a job, and things like that.
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Originally Posted by s1alker
A lot of homeless live in areas where they're pretty much priced out of any housing. I know a lot of people who work full time who live out of their cars.
Then they do that by choice, since obviously they refuse to share living accommodations.
You are not entitled to your own personal private residence.
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Originally Posted by alphamale
People who have never spoken to the homeless haven't a clue.
They're mostly mentally ill.
Come to Washington Park.
I'll introduce you to dozens and dozens of "homeless" who are substance abusers, but not mentally ill.
You can meet Chris and Chris who have been "homeless" (snicker) for about 10 years now. He prostitutes her out for money to buy beer and meth, and then about once every three months he beats her up and gets locked up for 90 days, but then he's back out on the streets. She waits "faithfully" for him, sort of.
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Originally Posted by alphamale
Fortunately, we have a constitution that doesn't allow government the power to pick people up off the streets and incarcerate them for the crime of mental illness.
Few "homeless" are mentally ill. The vast overwhelming majority are drug addicts or alcoholics.
I'm sure the EPA could nail them for violating environmental regulations.
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Originally Posted by alphamale
We, as individuals, can only comfort the poor souls.
How, by giving them money to enable their substance abuse?
People can panhandle in Afghanistan just as easily as they can in America.
Give them $10, a brown-bag lunch, a parachute, and kick their goat-smelling asses out the back of a C-130 over Afghanistan or Somalia. If that doesn't motivate them, nothing will.
The property taxes are included in the price of the rent.
Oh? He gets an itemized bill at the end of the month that says, "this portion of your rent goes to property taxes, this portion goes to insurance, this portion is my profit?"
You have no idea what the landlord spends the rent money on. For all you know the rent he receives pays for his car collection, and he uses his trustfund to pay property taxes.
This notion of "indirect property tax" is kinda bunk. A landlord MAY pay taxes with the rent you provider to them. They may pull it out of a general account of pooled money for all their rental property.
If the owner has NO tenant, they still must pay property taxes. If the market does not allow rents higher than the tax bill, the owner still has to pay the property taxes. Importantly, the landlord will always set rent at the MAXIMUM he can get due to what the market can sustain.
Imagine a property where taxes are 5000/year, and a landlord can get 1000/month in rent. If taxes went down to $50/month the next year, he's still going to charge 1000/month if he can get it. If they go to ZERO he's still going to charge 1000/month if he can get it.
Oh? He gets an itemized bill at the end of the month that says, "this portion of your rent goes to property taxes, this portion goes to insurance, this portion is my profit?"
You have no idea what the landlord spends the rent money on. For all you know the rent he receives pays for his car collection, and he uses his trustfund to pay property taxes.
This notion of "indirect property tax" is kinda bunk. A landlord MAY pay taxes with the rent you provider to them. They may pull it out of a general account of pooled money for all their rental property.
If the owner has NO tenant, they still must pay property taxes. If the market does not allow rents higher than the tax bill, the owner still has to pay the property taxes. Importantly, the landlord will always set rent at the MAXIMUM he can get due to what the market can sustain.
Imagine a property where taxes are 5000/year, and a landlord can get 1000/month in rent. If taxes went down to $50/month the next year, he's still going to charge 1000/month if he can get it. If they go to ZERO he's still going to charge 1000/month if he can get it.
And somewhere there will be a bogeyman in your dreams trying to sell Snickers candy bars for $10 a piece.
"If a mandate was a solution we could try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house. The reason they do not have a house is because they do not have the money. Our focus has been on reducing cost and making it available. I am confident that if people have a chance to buy high quality health care that is affordable, they will do so."
So now he mandates we all must buy insurance and he makes it less affordable for everyone, and unaffordable to people who used to have insurance. Why do so many politicians think that getting elected to office suddenly empowers them with knowledge, skill and wisdom that they simply do not now, and never have possessed?
lol, democrats passed a law "mandating" everyone buy insurance next mandate everyone has to buy a house.
"If a mandate was a solution we could try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house. The reason they do not have a house is because they do not have the money. Our focus has been on reducing cost and making it available. I am confident that if people have a chance to buy high quality health care that is affordable, they will do so."
So now he mandates we all must buy insurance and he makes it less affordable for everyone, and unaffordable to people who used to have insurance. Why do so many politicians think that getting elected to office suddenly empowers them with knowledge, skill and wisdom that they simply do not now, and never have possessed?
Obama is late to the party. George W. Bush already tried that and damn near bankrupted the country when the big banks collapsed. In his own words:
How, by giving them money to enable their substance abuse?
People can panhandle in Afghanistan just as easily as they can in America.
Give them $10, a brown-bag lunch, a parachute, and kick their goat-smelling asses out the back of a C-130 over Afghanistan or Somalia. If that doesn't motivate them, nothing will.
Comforting...
Mircea
Are you being sinister by design, or am I misunderstanding Afghanistan?
You kick an alcoholic out the back of a C-130 over Afghanistan. His starting position is $10 so at least initially he can eat and panhandle and perhaps look for casual labor opportunities.
But where is he going to find alcohol in Afghanistan?
You're a renter. You do not pay ANY property taxes. You pay rent, which may or may not be used by your landlord to pay taxes.
Your rent is set based on what the market can hold, and has little to do with taxes.
That's why property taxes are lower in California than in Texas, yet rent is higher in California than in Texas.
Any owner "passing the costs of ownership" on to you is doing so because they CAN. A rental property is a BUSINESS to the landlord, and AS SUCH the landlord is writing off his expenses to maintain his property the way a owner-occupier CANNOT, and thus it all works out to about even (or net gain for landlord-owned vs. owner-occupied).
So just stop. You do not contribute anything as a renter, and do not subsidize jack crap, on balance. Period.
Otherwise, get a better job or move somewhere where it's cheaper to buy a house. Minimum wage jobs are all over the country, so it's not like you have ANYTHING holding you back. You get no sympathy as much as you fish for it!
And landlords CAN "pass the costs of ownership" to renters because governments artificially restrict the supply of rental housing. I have seen a large 8BR house that could not be used as a rental because unrelated occupancy was limited to TWO, and families did not want to rent in the neighborhood, partially because the rents were way higher than they could find in other neighborhoods.
So you have an unjust feedback loop created by government, where government excessively taxes landlords and rigs the market, thereby allowing landlords to pass costs onto renters - and you have no problem with it.
In my case I lived in a house that was owed by a little old lady who was a retired teacher. She lived in the house for decades and moved to a nearby rural area when she retired, while renting out the house. To her, it was NOT a business. She sought only to break even while renting to long-term, low-maintenance tenants. Her goal was not to make money by renting it out, her goal was to keep the home as long as she lived, so that her kids could inherit the house with a huge step-up in tax basis. So why should she have had to pay an extra $1,500/yr property tax?
And here's another one: there are non-profit organizations which exist specifically to provide affordable housing, and they reject making a profit. But they still have to pay the extra property tax intended for BUSINESS. Why?
"If a mandate was a solution we could try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house. The reason they do not have a house is because they do not have the money. Our focus has been on reducing cost and making it available. I am confident that if people have a chance to buy high quality health care that is affordable, they will do so."
So now he mandates we all must buy insurance and he makes it less affordable for everyone, and unaffordable to people who used to have insurance. Why do so many politicians think that getting elected to office suddenly empowers them with knowledge, skill and wisdom that they simply do not now, and never have possessed?
Obama is a friggen moron. That is all.............
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