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Old 12-26-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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Well if those charities were doing such a bang up job of providing for the needy then why did anyone see the need for welfare in the first place?
The only reason government offers welfare is so it can grow itself.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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Who DO you agree with?
Political Parties wise? No one. I would take things from Democrats,Republicans,Greens,Constitution and Socialist parties and make my own party. Would be a fascinating thread to make I think I just don't feel like it right now. Just off top of my head from Republican party

Pro Gun Rights
Anti Abortion
Democrats
Helping the poor I would try and balance welfare and more work programs and slowly shift towards full on work programs after several years leaving welfare for the truly needy like the truly disabled,old and etc. Rest would be given a chance to work. Don't work and you can tough. Nothing for you.
Socialist Party
Higher Minimum wage
State paid healthcare and education for everyone
Greens
Better environmental regulations
Constitution
Immigration. Reverse everything from the 60's onward and go back to how it used to be with very strict guidelines on who we let in.


I am sure there are other parties I agree with in part but not sure who.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Well if those charities were doing such a bang up job of providing for the needy then why did anyone see the need for welfare in the first place?
It's called getting votes.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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So the short of it is you hate the poor and unemployed. Well you got the republican talking points down pat! I will just stop replying to you before I explode and say something I shouldn't.
Not sure where in anything I have written that you deduce me hating people? I don't hate the poor, nor do I hate the unemployed. I just refuse to rationalize their choices as my fault or my obligation to correct. Far different thing than hate.

But you quote your liberal/progressive masters well. You don't just disagree with me, you hate me. You can't keep debating me because you'll explode and say something you'll regret. One nice thing about being a libertarian is that I can exchange ideas and opinions with people without hating them. You see, I am sufficiently evolved to understand that difference of opinion is not sufficient cause for hatred. Clearly...you are not so evolved and base your debate on a more primitive, emotional, coercive, bully-esque methodology.

I will say it one more time - if in 2+ years, you cannot find a way to provide value in exchange for money, which is more briefly referred to as "employment", then you simply are not seeking to do so. Liberals make every excuse in the world other than individual choice for that, but that's because it serves the agenda of taking something from others so you can "donate" it to your cause to absolve your own guilt. You don't want to help anyone, you want to force me to help them and call yourself charitable at the same time, and it makes you mad (to the point of hating me) that I am pointing these things out.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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Who DO you agree with?
Based on the little blurb under his name, and all the nonsense he's typed so far...I'd go with the Nazi Party of 1928-1945 Germany. First step in national socialism, find someone to hate and get others angry at, and he's got Republicans and libertarians for that, then find a sympathetic audience to whip into a frenzy at the hated targets, which would be the poor and unemployed. Figure we'll start getting plagiarism of the 25 Points of the NSDAP anytime now...
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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In every industry? At every pay scale? I ask this because I have a very niche skill set in the world of IT, but if I lost my job tomorrow morning, tomorrow night I'd be delivering pizzas, bartending, landscaping, etc until I found a job related to my resume. Now, given most severance packages, I could likely get by on severance until I landed something in IT, even a step down or two, but if it got remotely likely I was going to need longer, I'd be doing any of the numerous blue collar, $8-12 per hour gigs I see in the paper all the time.
Yep, that's what I did when I moved. Left my IT job to move closer to family. Stayed in my mother's spare bedroom and worked slicing meat in the deli department of the local grocery store until I found another IT job.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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Yep, that's what I did when I moved. Left my IT job to move closer to family. Stayed in my mother's spare bedroom and worked slicing meat in the deli department of the local grocery store until I found another IT job.
A system by which many people have remained employed, for lesser wages perhaps, but employed nonetheless.
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You're daddy stared adversity in the eye, Hardy. And he beat it back with a broom.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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I know not everyone on this forum has their dream job, or even a job at all in this tough economy.
If you are being hit by the end of the unemployment extensions, what are your plans going to be now?
Obamma is telling everyone about how good things are so they should just get a job. Pretty simple in O'bamma world eh?
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Obamma is telling everyone about how good things are so they should just get a job. Pretty simple in O'bamma world eh?
Exactly, the economy is fixed and all better now. Why would anyone not have a job? Obama said it was all better, so isn't unemployment like 0% now? Everything Obama says is true, and he said everything was better, so it must be.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Who the hell NEEDS more than 99 weeks of unemployment compensation???? .

What is ending is simply EUC tiers long after initial unemployment..which will remain in place.

This program was put in place when we were losing 750k jobs/month, U6 was around 18%, U3 above 10%.

Now we gain 150-200k jobs monthly per your hero, President Obama.

If you are unemployed, surely you can get a job given those numbers, especially years after your #2 hero, Joe Biden, proclaimed it "Recovery Summer".
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