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Old 12-29-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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No system is perfect. There will be mistakes, foul ups, abuses and poor management. That is any industry - public or private - across the board. You cannot exclude the human component.

But I can also tell you from personal experience, as a recipient and a witness to others, that many government programs have worked wonderfully in our favor. They've provided the hand up we needed to get out of poverty and concentrate on bettering society.

Some of those programs include, but are not limited to:

Free lunch program
Free public education
Government subsidized transportation
Section 8
SNAP/Food stamps
Medical assistance
LIHEAP
Cash assistance

Do ANY of these programs meet the criteria I asked for? ANY of them??
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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So we would only tax those who could afford it? How would that be determined?

Everyone should be taxed and many of the loopholes in the system need to be sewn shut.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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Do ANY of these programs meet the criteria I asked for? ANY of them??

IME and IMO, yes they did what they were designed to do.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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Meh. The gloom-and-doom dire predictions don't scare me. Knowing quite a few people who live and have lived under the single payer system in other countries, I am looking forward to it.

Healthcare, like education and other public services, should not be a commodity.
Mexico has universal health care --- yet many millions are fleeing that country to the USA --- you don't see many Americans leaving, including yourself --- and what's stopping them? Certainly they know where the more socialist systems are.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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IME and IMO, yes they did what they were designed to do.
Are they at or under budget?
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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I'm a-ok with my taxes going up (along with the rich) if it means we have a single payer system.
Good for you, its always great to vote that someone else pays the majority of you bills, isnt it?
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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How does this have to do with Obamacare right now when the doctors quoted in the article were looking to stop accepting new Medicaid patients in 2011 because of current Medicaid reimbursement in 2011?

I mean, it is even in the quoted text of the OP saying this is from nearly 3 years ago when Obamacare started in September of 2013. Did you not read your own article, or do you not care what is true or not?

You are correct. Medicaid has reimbursed poorly for decades, which is why physicians limit the number of medicaid patients they see, or do not see them at all. If one accepted medicaid patients without restrictions, your practice would go broke in short order.

What does this have to do with Obamacare? Obamacare is increasing the number of Medicaid patients. In CA, of the 220,000 people who have signed up on the exchanged, 180,000 are medicaid. What does this do?

1. provides "coverage", but with few, if any physicians to see those patients

2. jams up emergency rooms, which are about the only source of unrestricted access

3. cuts hospital profits and threatens solvency in areas with large numbers of citizens on medicaid

4. increases costs by funneling patients to very high cost access sites

5. Threatens the solvency of ambulance services, which cannot survive on medicaid rates

6. Threatens state budgets when the Obamacare support for the new medicaid patients expires
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Do ANY of these programs meet the criteria I asked for? ANY of them??
They are all increasing poverty rates.

In spite of many trillions of dollars spent on the War on Poverty, more people than ever are now poor in this country. It's been a colossal failure.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Mexico has universal health care --- yet many millions are fleeing that country to the USA --- you don't see many Americans leaving, including yourself --- and what's stopping them? Certainly they know where the more socialist systems are.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Why are those people fleeing from Mexico? Because they have healthcare? Not on your life.

Mexico also has soccer. Does that mean millions are fleeing because of that? Honestly....
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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Um he already has 26k patients! WOW! He won't be able to serve them because he is covered to thin as it is! I wonder how long a wait is for a new patient there...holy crap..
You mean you didnt read the story before you started your waaa waaa waa, he needs more patients? And 13K of them are already medicaid patients, NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE..

How many more of these welfare patients do you expect him to take?
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