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Old 12-30-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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An amazing troll article, being used by trolls
And published in a troll "paper". As noted previously, Forbes, somewhat to the right of Attila the Hun, supported Rick Perry for President. That's really all that's necessary to note about its "veracity", not at all unlike all you need to know about anything Fox News presents.

That is to say, the very first thing you do when reading/hearing anything that came out of Forbes or Fox is ask "What's wrong with their angle?"
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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What is a Consitutional violation?
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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What is a Consitutional violation?
This.

At this point in our history, the Constitution is a quaint list of suggestions from a bygone day. It has no authority whatsoever, and because it so routinely ignored without anyone caring, it is essentially meaningless.

A law not enforced or only on the whim of a tyrant is not a law, it is a suggestion, sorta.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:33 AM
 
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This.

At this point in our history, the Constitution is a quaint list of suggestions from a bygone day. It has no authority whatsoever, and because it so routinely ignored without anyone caring, it is essentially meaningless.

A law not enforced or only on the whim of a tyrant is not a law, it is a suggestion, sorta.
Your conflating the application of law with constitutionality. An act is either constitutional or not based on ajudication...not feeling or belief.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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It's not the President's job to determine Constitutionality, it's up to The Courts.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:12 PM
 
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It's not the President's job to determine Constitutionality, it's up to The Courts.
I wonder how many freaking lawyers there are up on the hill.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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What is a Consitutional violation?
Ask Obama and his supporters. He has said some things were unconstitutional when campaigning and then did them as president.

The same people that cheered him declaring certain things unconstitutional are the first to quickly brush it off when he does it anyways.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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This has been written by one of these fools that says ACA needs to be destroyed because Obama supports it this what most republicans believe
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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I agree, the current administration has violated the Constitution several times. I'm surprised that Shapiro doesn't cite NSA violations. But then again, I'm not so surprised.

Every administration violates the Constitution. There is no way to balance the powers of our federal government if the three branches aren't struggling between themselves for those powers. Tension is required if balance is to be maintained.

That said, the executive branch began asserting powers under Bush, and has continued to do so under Obama, in ways that are not Constitutional. And more than that, the judicial branch of our government has not acted as a defender of the Constitution when they cite national security as a reason to violate that Constitution.
Long before Bush.
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Long before Bush.
Well, of course. The greatest seizure of executive powers happened during the Civil War under Lincoln. After Lincoln, Congress pushed back. Different Presidents, in different situations, have varied in how aggressively they asserted executive powers. George W Bush's administration WAS more aggressive in this aspect than was Clinton or Carter, for instance. While Obama's term is incomplete, I'd say his administration has also been more aggressive in this aspect than Clinton or Carter. But each President faces very different situations. Lincoln was dealing with a Civil War with massive casualties and devastating results for the nation as a whole. George W Bush had to deal with a horrific terrorist attack on US soil. George W Bush's Vice President was particularly aggressive about executive powers and probably one of the more forceful Vice Presidents we've ever had. Each Presidency has to be examined in its own context, but the design of the government is one in which the three branches of the government are in a struggle over power. The design depends on there being tension, because without tension there is no balance. But the balance itself does shift. depending on the personalities involved, depending on the state of the nation, depending on global issues.
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