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Old 01-01-2014, 08:30 PM
 
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Good lord. What are people telling you? no Organic chemistry is NOT part of high school in China barring some private schools. And from my interactions while I was in China at manufacturing facilities there are some lacking parts in their understanding of physics. Trust me, the vast majority of Chinese coming out of their primary education average pretty close to the US students. Singapore and Japan are smacking us around hard, but not China.
Chemical Education in China

The Chinese education system is as follows:


Children learn some basic knowledge of chemistry in nature studies such as oxygen, nitrogen and petroleum when they are in primary school. The systematic chemical teaching begins in the third year of junior secondary school. In the first two years of senior secondary school, chemistry is the required course for every student, and it is also the examined course in the Minimum Competency Test. In the 3rd year of senior secondary school, chemistry is an optional course for the students, who are ready to participate the National Entrance Examination of science, engineering, agriculture and medical science. The test contents cover the syllabuses of all three years of chemistry courses.

There are chemistry or chemical engineering courses in specialized secondary and vocational schools with the aim of training technicians and technical workers in chemical industry. Such schools have more chemistry lessons with a higher level than those of ordinary secondary schools, these students learn inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, analytical chemistry and principles of chemical engineering.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:49 PM
 
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Chemical Education in China

The Chinese education system is as follows:


Children learn some basic knowledge of chemistry in nature studies such as oxygen, nitrogen and petroleum when they are in primary school. The systematic chemical teaching begins in the third year of junior secondary school. In the first two years of senior secondary school, chemistry is the required course for every student, and it is also the examined course in the Minimum Competency Test. In the 3rd year of senior secondary school, chemistry is an optional course for the students, who are ready to participate the National Entrance Examination of science, engineering, agriculture and medical science. The test contents cover the syllabuses of all three years of chemistry courses.

There are chemistry or chemical engineering courses in specialized secondary and vocational schools with the aim of training technicians and technical workers in chemical industry. Such schools have more chemistry lessons with a higher level than those of ordinary secondary schools, these students learn inorganic chemistry, organic chemistry, analytical chemistry and principles of chemical engineering.
Go read what you just said.

Where is "organic chemistry" taught? ahhh right-specialized secondary and vocational schools.

I love your "dont argue with me" attitude. It just makes you look like even more of a jerk when your next post points out you are wrong. Thank you.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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Americans are dumb. The top people are super top, but the average people...it is like shooting ducks in a barrel.
I remember visiting my aunt in India, and my cousin was doing organic chem homework... she was the equivalent of a 10th grader there. /QUOTE]

I did Organic Chem in 10th grade too, and I'm American. Wasn't in any fancy elite school either, just a regular public high school.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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BTW feel free to say "its offered", it is in fact offered at some schools, and IS part of the China entrance exams, it represents 15% of the chemistry section.

In the united states many high schools ALSO offer organic chemistry.

basic chemistry and physics are taught in US schools, as is organic chemistry as a option.

I know the Chinese often like to think of themselves as "better". they're not. I've been there, worked with them, and theyre about average.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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BTW feel free to say "its offered", it is in fact offered at some schools, and IS part of the China entrance exams, it represents 15% of the chemistry section.

In the united states many high schools ALSO offer organic chemistry.

basic chemistry and physics are taught in US schools, as is organic chemistry as a option.

I know the Chinese often like to think of themselves as "better". they're not. I've been there, worked with them, and theyre about average.
I took organic chem in high school too.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:17 AM
 
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Go read what you just said.

Where is "organic chemistry" taught? ahhh right-specialized secondary and vocational schools.

I love your "dont argue with me" attitude. It just makes you look like even more of a jerk when your next post points out you are wrong. Thank you.
I just pointed out the fact that you lied. Don't panic.

I've told you I took it in high school in China and it is required for the college entrance exam. Don't you know high schools in China are all about preparing for the college entrance exam?
You were trying to tell me what high schools in China teach, but I graduated from schools in China. Don't you think it is ridiculous?

In high school chemistry, one semester is about organic chemistry. For those who want to study engineering and science in college, additional courses are taken.

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Old 01-02-2014, 12:21 AM
 
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BTW feel free to say "its offered", it is in fact offered at some schools, and IS part of the China entrance exams, it represents 15% of the chemistry section.

In the united states many high schools ALSO offer organic chemistry.

basic chemistry and physics are taught in US schools, as is organic chemistry as a option.

I know the Chinese often like to think of themselves as "better". they're not. I've been there, worked with them, and theyre about average.
Nobody said American students do not take it.
We are saying it is NOT REQUIRED for all. In China it is required for all (meaning you MUST TAKE IT EVEN IF YOU HATE IT), and those who want to go to college need to handle it well. That's it.

Organic chemistry is very easy anyway, way easier than high school math and physics. Indeed it is not necessary to make it a big deal.
The reason why I talked about it is that someone mentioned it.

No one said Chinese are superior, but the schools do push the average students harder. It is so obvious and is proved by so many independent tests and surveys.

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