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Old 01-03-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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That's all that needs to be said about the Healthcare debate era.

Everyone agreed that the previous system was screwed up and needed to be fixed. Once voters start looking back at who fought to fix the system and who fought to keep it in place, there's not going to be a rock big enough for the current crop of Republicans to hide under.

That's why there's a growing trend for Republicans to say that they had alternatives all along, b-b-but they just didn't get around to voting on them.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You can expect the Republican opposition to all things Obamacare to continue through the midterms.

After November, they know that there will have to be more then just "anti-Obama" because they will need a platform to run on in the next election cycle. Thats because they can't run against obama in the next election cycle. Even Clinton has separated herself enough to, first keep the base happy, but to also avoid 90% of the Obama flack that could be thrown her way in 2016.

Its all politics. The GOP will have a platform, probably a revamp of the Ryan budget, with a dab more Simpson-Bowles. The Democrats will begin drawing camps around Presidential nominees. Looks like Clinton, Biden, or Warren are the three names that are likely contenders, with Clinton probably going to be the nominee.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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I agree that to NOT have an alternative plan at this point is ridiculous. Doesn't validate anything that ObamaCare is - which is an abomination.

An alternative plan really needs to come from the private sector where the true experts in health care reside.

In the end, the whole health care debacle is a collective American system failure.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:16 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I agree that to NOT have an alternative plan at this point is ridiculous. Doesn't validate anything that ObamaCare is - which is an abomination.

An alternative plan really needs to come from the private sector where the true experts in health care reside.

In the end, the whole health care debacle is a collective American system failure.
And where the compelling need is to profit from the pain and misery of human beings, also.

Yeah, I trust the health insurance industry. Not.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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And where the compelling need is to profit from the pain and misery of human beings, also.

Yeah, I trust the health insurance industry. Not.
Yep - that's how it works. The quicker people understand this and accept it for what it is, then we can fix things in health care. It's crude, but that's human nature.

How else do you motivate people to do years and years of research to cure a disease if they receive no benefits?

Should nurses and doctors and physical therapists work for nothing just because somebody has an ailment?

Go tell your boss that you will work for free - then you can talk.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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That's all that needs to be said about the Healthcare debate era.

Everyone agreed that the previous system was screwed up and needed to be fixed. Once voters start looking back at who fought to fix the system and who fought to keep it in place, there's not going to be a rock big enough for the current crop of Republicans to hide under.

That's why there's a growing trend for Republicans to say that they had alternatives all along, b-b-but they just didn't get around to voting on them.
I will agree with you that the previous system was very messed up but the new system has just made things worse, ime. The insurance companies who played a significant role in the problem were also allowed to play an even bigger role in the "solution". I think it was clear from the beginning that this was not going to be the fix that we needed. Now, here we are, billions of dollars later and many of us have already seen the negative impacts of this legislation. I suspect many more will see it in time. IMO, if we want a real fix, we are going to have to move outside and away from the broken system and start with something new.

BTW, I'm not a republican nor am I a democrat so I have no stake in the partisan game of finger pointing.
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Old 01-03-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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Let the full Obamacare fiasco play out....

After the high-deductibles bankrupt Obamacare polity holders, end the year with massive taxpayer bailout of insurers.

lol
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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Let the full Obamacare fiasco play out....

After the high-deductibles bankrupt Obamacare polity holders, end the year with massive taxpayer bailout of insurers.

lol
The plan is for ObamaCare to fail and to propose a single government payer health care system - that's how this will play out. That's what liberal elites, communists, big government lefties and some righties want - control of the health care system - they just can't tell us that outright, so we have to be tricked into it through the failure of ObamaCare.

Bernie Sanders has already got the ball rolling within the legislative processes. His proposal will probably be rejected - but again, the ball is rolling.
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