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Old 01-07-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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No matter how much higher you raise the minimum wage, it is still the MINIMUM WAGE! Before long, you still won't be able to make a live on the minimum wage. By setting a minimum wage, you are effectively saying the new zero is now $X/hour.

The employers will do one or all of the following:
1. Raise prices
2. Hire less workers
3. Cut benefits
4. Employ more automation
5. Move the business somewhere they can pay $1/day - yes, you read that right.


Politically, it is a fantastic tool for the Democrats to gather support from the clueless who, guess why, will continue to make the minimum wage, will continue to get screwed because of the minimum wage and will continue to support the Democrats cluelessly.

 
Old 01-07-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
No matter how much higher you raise the minimum wage, it is still the MINIMUM WAGE! Before long, you still won't be able to make a live on the minimum wage. By setting a minimum wage, you are effectively saying the new zero is now $X/hour.

The employers will do one or all of the following:
1. Raise prices
2. Hire less workers
3. Cut benefits
4. Employ more automation
5. Move the business somewhere they can pay $1/day - yes, you read that right.


Politically, it is a fantastic tool for the Democrats to gather support from the clueless who, guess why, will continue to make the minimum wage, will continue to get screwed because of the minimum wage and will continue to support the Democrats cluelessly.

??? Cut benefits...from zero to zero?
 
Old 01-07-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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??? Cut benefits...from zero to zero?
Cut benefits for other employees.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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If the GOP was smart (which they're not) they'd flip the script on this one specific issue. Supporting an increase in minimum wage would go a long ways towards looking less like the party for rich elites and more like the party for the people. On this one issue, the GOP hands over a massive amount of public support to the Dems.

The days when only teenagers and college students are working for minimum wage are long gone. Teenagers are dropping out of the labor force at unprecedented rates. Minimum wage jobs are increasingly being taken on by folks who are actually trying to support themselves and their families. Trouble is, you can't possibly support yourself and a family on minimum wage. A husband and wife working for minimum wage can't support themselves and their children. As a result, husband and wife can work a full 40 hours a week each and still qualify for federal welfare. The GOP really needs to reconsider their position on this. They can't afford to be against welfare while offering no alternative. A higher minimum wage offers folks a more realistic alternative to leeching off the government and taxpayers.

By gradually changing it over a 10 year period, you can raise minimum wage while incurring less pain on employers. By pegging a living wage to change with inflation, you don't have to worry about fussing and fighting about it every decade or so.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
No matter how much higher you raise the minimum wage, it is still the MINIMUM WAGE! Before long, you still won't be able to make a live on the minimum wage. By setting a minimum wage, you are effectively saying the new zero is now $X/hour.

The employers will do one or all of the following:
1. Raise prices
2. Hire less workers
3. Cut benefits
4. Employ more automation
5. Move the business somewhere they can pay $1/day - yes, you read that right.


Politically, it is a fantastic tool for the Democrats to gather support from the clueless who, guess why, will continue to make the minimum wage, will continue to get screwed because of the minimum wage and will continue to support the Democrats cluelessly.
And there you have it... the Dem campaign platform. And they're bragging that it will work.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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If the GOP was smart (which they're not) they'd flip the script on this one specific issue. Supporting an increase in minimum wage would go a long ways towards looking less like the party for rich elites and more like the party for the people. On this one issue, the GOP hands over a massive amount of public support to the Dems.

The days when only teenagers and college students are working for minimum wage are long gone. Teenagers are dropping out of the labor force at unprecedented rates. Minimum wage jobs are increasingly being taken on by folks who are actually trying to support themselves and their families. Trouble is, you can't possibly support yourself and a family on minimum wage. A husband and wife working for minimum wage can't support themselves and their children. As a result, husband and wife can work a full 40 hours a week each and still qualify for federal welfare. The GOP really needs to reconsider their position on this. They can't afford to be against welfare while offering no alternative. A higher minimum wage offers folks a more realistic alternative to leeching off the government and taxpayers.

By gradually changing it over a 10 year period, you can raise minimum wage while incurring less pain on employers. By pegging a living wage to change with inflation, you don't have to worry about fussing and fighting about it every decade or so.
You are correct. Even this is a stupid idea, GOP should support it and twist it for their benefits. Far better than letting moronic Democrats run their course.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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And there you have it... the Dem campaign platform. And they're bragging that it will work.
Well, if they say it's not going work, how does that help them to gather votes? Even it's a pile, they would call it the most fantastic thing since the slice of a bread.

Like I said, the country and the people? Screw them both, right?
 
Old 01-07-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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That is false, lots of people get a raise every year just for being there a year and working hard. It is a way for an employer to show appreciation to an employee for staying an employee. You must have never gotten a raise, and only worked for companies where your pay was directly controlled by supply and demand.
I've only increased my income every year for the last 20 years based on merit, not on simply sticking around. You sound experienced on getting raises for just not being fired though.

EVERY job that pays above minimum wage is based on supply and demand. If there are few people with skill X the pay is high if there is a glut of them the pay is lower, if it's a job anyone with a pulse can do it gets minimum wage. That's why corner sign flippers make less than computer programmers.
 
Old 01-07-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I've only increased my income every year for the last 20 years based on merit, not on simply sticking around. You sound experienced on getting raises for just not being fired though.
You call it merit, but do you really increase profits that is quantifiable in a raise? When profits go down, does your employer also decrease your wages or do they give you a raise for sticking around?
 
Old 01-07-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by FlamencoFreak View Post
Not true. If an employer is required to pay $15/hr, the employer is going to expect at minimum a $15/hr return on investment. The jobs will go to those who have the most to offer (i.e. other work experience, and more skills).
So what kind of work experience does one expect from an entry level minimum wage position that they don't require now? Remember, minimum wage has gone up before and this excuse has been used before, yet I bet you can still walk into a fast food place and get a job with no experience.
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