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Old 01-08-2014, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by hnsq View Post
Would you work an easier job in your same field for the same pay you get now? (that is what you are asking wal mart employees to do) I could give a more specific example, but you seem unwilling to answer a simple question. Why are you afraid to tell me what you do for a living?
I don't know who you are and prefer some privacy.

What would be my pay in this Walmart job before minimum wage being raised to $15/hr?

 
Old 01-08-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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There you go. Why not focusing on improving the quality of the minimum wage workers?
Improving the quality of minimum wage workers? How would one go about improving the quality of minimum wage workers?
 
Old 01-08-2014, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes, and that New York program is disgusting. The poor guy who started a business last year is taxed and regulated to death--and his taxes go to subsidize a brand new competitor who is TAX-FREE! More examples of politicians picking winners and losers, giving out money taken from other people. It would make more sense and be fairer to cut the taxes for every business, not sock some and let others get off scot-free.
So now you are against helping start up companies? You guys are really against anyone getting ahead that isn't already ahead. We can't all be born with a silver spoon in our mouth with three nannies to do everything for us.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Fun fact, Costco has 268 employees per store while Walmart has 182 employees per store, yet Costco still pays their employees better with better benefits.
Costco also expects considerably more from their employees than Walmart does. They have much less turnover as well. Ever seen an employee or employees standing around lollygagging in Walmart? That would probably get you a nice friendly conversation with the manager if you did that at Costco.

Source: I worked for Costco
 
Old 01-08-2014, 09:39 PM
 
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Good. $15 an hour is what is needed nation wide for a healthy country. Anything less is unacceptable. The United States should always be a rich high wage country.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 02:31 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Even though I would like to see a higher min wage I do not think it is the best thing to do we would be better off with a negative income tax or basic income.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 06:00 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Improving the quality of minimum wage workers? How would one go about improving the quality of minimum wage workers?
Your question is the central challenge of an army of managers. Here are a few ways that minimum wage workers could improve their own quality:

1. Take fewer drugs during work hours.
2. Show up for a higher fraction of scheduled hours.
3. Avoid trumped-up work comp and unemployment claims and other abuses.
4. Understand the mission of the company and do more to advance it.
5. Comprehend that jobs and wages arise from profits.
6. Help the employer help more customers in more ways.
7. Seek additional training opportunities, formal and informal.
8. Avoid this phrase in response to any legal request: "I'm not paid to do that."
9. Have a good attitude.
10. Turn off the smartphone during business hours.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by marcopolo View Post
Your question is the central challenge of an army of managers. Here are a few ways that minimum wage workers could improve their own quality:

1. Take fewer drugs during work hours.
2. Show up for a higher fraction of scheduled hours.
3. Avoid trumped-up work comp and unemployment claims and other abuses.
4. Understand the mission of the company and do more to advance it.
5. Comprehend that jobs and wages arise from profits.
6. Help the employer help more customers in more ways.
7. Seek additional training opportunities, formal and informal.
8. Avoid this phrase in response to any legal request: "I'm not paid to do that."
9. Have a good attitude.
10. Turn off the smartphone during business hours.

That's too much work! Voting for the politicians who will pay me more is so much easier and more effective.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by marcopolo View Post
Your question is the central challenge of an army of managers. Here are a few ways that minimum wage workers could improve their own quality:

1. Take fewer drugs during work hours.
2. Show up for a higher fraction of scheduled hours.
3. Avoid trumped-up work comp and unemployment claims and other abuses.
4. Understand the mission of the company and do more to advance it.
5. Comprehend that jobs and wages arise from profits.
6. Help the employer help more customers in more ways.
7. Seek additional training opportunities, formal and informal.
8. Avoid this phrase in response to any legal request: "I'm not paid to do that."
9. Have a good attitude.
10. Turn off the smartphone during business hours.
So your suggestions are motivational posters?
 
Old 01-09-2014, 08:27 AM
 
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So your suggestions are motivational posters?
Actually, they are tried and true behaviors/choices for anyone wwho wishes to increase their income, employability and longevity.

They are also the dividing line between the nanny state socialist and the capitalist individual. The former believes that because some people will fail to pay heed to any of the tried and true methods for self-actualization, the community must rally around them and allow them to be profitable and comfortable in their laziness and apathy. The latter believes that everyone is capable of the tried and true methods, because they all represent attitude and personal choice, not some innate set of physical or mental gifts.

So you sit there on the "moar minimum wage now!" side of the fence because you think it is the duty of those who do have good attitudes and positive behaviors to compensate for and reward those who do not, while myself and others sit on the "this is the land of opportunity, and your attitude and behavior will dictate your success" side of the fence. And that list of "suggestions" as you call it really is the fence itself. Folks like me have seen it, accepted it, and climbed it, and the folks you champion being paid more money for no extra value sit staring it and complaining that it cannot be climbed because climbing it may break a nail or muss their hair.

And it's particularly funny in regards to WalMart, where the lowest level associate does in fact start out at minimum wage, but the upper end for that lowest level job is currently about $4.50 above the minimum wage, and 70% of the upper management positions at WalMart came up from their associate ranks. Apparently, following the list of "suggestions" that you deride is actually a path to serious career advancement at the company the world loves to hate. In fact, one of the 50 most powerful women in US business got her start as a WalMart associate. Guess she didn't laugh off that list of good work habits and might have actually exceeded the basic advice it provides.

WalMart is actually a pretty sterling example of a properly functioning meritocracy. Minimum wage advocates hate that word, because they like to believe nobody succeeds through their own efforts, and it's all a matter of luck, but the fact is, a good work ethic and commitment to the WalMart mission can advance one from minimum wage to no joke executive making righteous 6 figure salary...based on one's own merit and value to the organization. They excel at staying in house to fill top positions. But because not everyone becomes an executive after 2 weeks of shelf stocking, well apparently they are evil to the core, to hear you and the other "pay me more for less work" zealots. So absurd.
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