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Old 01-06-2014, 06:16 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Then you dont have to think back that far because they're the only ones fighting for our right.

how wrong you are, the SAS, GOA and a whole munch of other groups fight the good fight, instead of making compromises like the NRA does.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:17 AM
 
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Common sense and the Law does allow for self protection. The Constitution allows you to keep your musket as long as you are part of a well regulated militia.
Where are muskets in the Constitution? I thought it said "The right to bare arms" and NOT the right to bare muskets... I guess using your logic, the Constitution only covers free speech if it's written on a scroll, and not over the telephone, email, text message, or computer correct?

Anyway, and to prove my point that the gun control crowned no very little about law, this matter has already been taken up. The Constitution covers weapons that are in common use at the current time which was muskets at the time the Constitution was written and currently, AR15s.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:20 AM
 
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how wrong you are, the SAS, GOA and a whole munch of other groups fight the good fight, instead of making compromises like the NRA does.
I'm not sure of what you're referring too, but just because someone compromises does not mean that they aren't or didn't fight for you. Sometimes instead of getting none of what you want, you have to compromises to at least get some on a case by case basis...
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:22 AM
 
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Common sense and the Law does allow for self protection. The Constitution allows you to keep your musket as long as you are part of a well regulated militia.

but the right of the people shall not be infringed.

also, every time you trot out that excuse, I do not see you also saying that the 1st Amendment only protects fixed type set, podiums for speeches and little else. no tv, computers or anything else modern.

also, I do notice that you say the militia, but it was not until the scotus ruled in the late 1800's that the militia was the national guard, when in fact, the militia is each and every citizen with their own firearms/arms.


also remember that well regulated did not mean having laws written against the militia, but in fact meant being well trained and well disciplined.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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I'm not sure of what you're referring too, but just because someone compromises does not mean that they aren't or didn't fight for you. Sometimes instead of getting none of what you want, you have to compromises to at least get some on a case by case basis...


look into the past of the NRA, they are the oldest gun control group in the USA. the Second Amendment Sisters, the Gun Owners of America and others have been no compromise groups that do not want the government in the business of making any kind of laws against the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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look into the past of the NRA, they are the oldest gun control group in the USA. the Second Amendment Sisters, the Gun Owners of America and others have been no compromise groups that do not want the government in the business of making any kind of laws against the 2nd Amendment.
That's not something that is going to realistically happen. Also, when I hear about the Colorado recall and many other high profile law suits, I hear the NRA's name. The whole not making any kind of laws against the 2nd Amendment sounds nice, but it's not realistic and isn't going to farther our cause...
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:32 AM
 
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but the right of the people shall not be infringed.

also, every time you trot out that excuse, I do not see you also saying that the 1st Amendment only protects fixed type set, podiums for speeches and little else. no tv, computers or anything else modern.

also, I do notice that you say the militia, but it was not until the scotus ruled in the late 1800's that the militia was the national guard, when in fact, the militia is each and every citizen with their own firearms/arms.


also remember that well regulated did not mean having laws written against the militia, but in fact meant being well trained and well disciplined.
We have painfully seen how "well regulated" and "disciplined" the gun fringe of America is...
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:33 AM
 
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That's not something that is going to realistically happen. Also, when I hear about the Colorado recall and many other high profile law suits, I hear the NRA's name. The whole not making any kind of laws against the 2nd Amendment sounds nice, but it's not realistic and isn't going to farther our cause...


that is what you hear, I was a life member in 1980, and dropped my life membership in 1993 when the NRA worked out a compromise for the NICS checks. something of which we still have today.

the NRA is no better than the murdering jackbooted thugs of the batf.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:36 AM
 
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that is what you hear, I was a life member in 1980, and dropped my life membership in 1993 when the NRA worked out a compromise for the NICS checks. something of which we still have today.

the NRA is no better than the murdering jackbooted thugs of the batf.
How's NICS check stopping us from owning firearms? It takes me all of 10 minutes and I have my firearm. Seems nitpickish to me but to each their own.
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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We have painfully seen how "well regulated" and "disciplined" the gun fringe of America is...
ANd all the knee jerk reactional laws that we made because of the pain, did what....

Go ahead, I'll wait for you to provide lalws that stopped the next person using a gun....
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