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Vaccines, nah. Apparently everybody in the Army got revaccinated with everything periodically whether they needed a booster or not, so his total vaccine exposure was way more than any child today gets. I forget how many times he told me he got vaccinated for smallpox, for example. Maybe six?
The discussion is interesting but if 'facts' and stats ( from both sides) aren't pertinent, they don't help.
Lumping pneumonia in with flu does not in any way represent a statistic to support your side of the issue. For instance..
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the two, as 55,477 people died of pneumonia in 2006.15 "
Pneumonia may be the result of many things having nothing to do with the flu.
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Probably a great deal of people with flu end up with pneumonia but that does not excuse insinuating that flu is a substantial contributor to the statistic for the 8th leading cause of death.
" Pneumonia consistently accounts for the overwhelming majority of deaths between the two, as 55,477 people died of pneumonia " (Out of 56,326)
Please state where you got your epidemiology degree. It's kind of "Epi 101" that flu and pneumonia go together, with pneumonia the secondary infection.
Speaking of influenza and pneumonia, giving kids the bacterial pneumonia vaccine actually lowers the risk that adults will get it (that's what herd immunity does, you know), and it actually reduced hospitalizations for influenza (since they did not get bacterial pneumonia on top of flu):
"In the first seasons after PCV [pneumococcal vaccine] introduction, when there were substantial state differences in coverage among <5-year-olds, states with greater coverage had significantly fewer influenza-associated pneumonia hospitalizations among children, suggesting that PCV7 use also reduces influenza-attributable pneumonia hospitalizations."
The current pneumonia vaccine covers twice as many variants as the vaccine in the article.
"Over a 5 year study period, a total of 8,690 women received a seasonal trivalent inactive influenza vaccine during the first trimester, and delivered babies at the study institution. Some of the key results were:
Women vaccinated during pregnancy were significantly older with more pregnancies than women who declined vaccination.
About 2 percent had a baby with a major birth defect, such as a malformation in the heart or a cleft lip, identical to the rate among almost 77,000 pregnant women who did not get the vaccine.
Women who were vaccinated had lower stillbirth (0.3% compared with 0.6%, P=.006).
Women who were vaccinated had lower neonatal death (0.2% compared with 0.4%, P=.01).
Women who were vaccinated had lower premature delivery rates (5% compared with 6%, P=.004)."
No increase in birth defects, fewer stillbirths, neonatal deaths, and premature births. All of the mothers received the vaccine in the first 14 weeks of the pregnancy.
Do you get your yearly shot from a multi dose bottle?..you know, the ones with all the mercury?
Heck no, I get the ones with all the horse urine .
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