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Old 01-08-2014, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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How about because it is straight up rude?
How about acknowledging that it is straight up the truth?

 
Old 01-08-2014, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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My wife is Japanese. One day, we were at an amusement park. We were strolling our son around. This old guy and a kid walked by. The old man looked at the stroller and mumbled, "Must be some new species of monkey." and kept walking.

I stopped strolling. I whipped around and said, "What did you just say?" I don't care if he was 60, 70, or 80 or if it had been a younger racist. I was going to knock him out. At least confront the stupid. You always have to fight the stupid.

Whole societies were built on people being gay. Ever hear of the Spartans? Gay.
Samurai? GAY. To say it is abnormal is to ignore history. And we're not ignorant up in here, so it's as normal today as it was normal in the age of the Spartans.

It just is. Let it be. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say a lot of people hate gays because the Bible says hate gays. Just like it says you can't eat oysters.

Oysters and being gay are off the list of normal. They quote one verse as law about gays and say, "Meh" to the one that says you can't EVER get a divorce.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 03:50 AM
 
Location: texas
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Being gay is abnormal in the sense that being black or being Jewish or whatever is abnormal--it does not describe the majority of the population.

Anyway, if one says that being gay is abnormal, then many people might (perhaps sometimes incorrectly) interpret it as an attempt to say something bad about gay people.
Human sexuality is on a long linear continuum. Most sexual pracitces are shared by hetrosexual practitioners and homosexual practitioners. If you are normal, your share almost all the same sexual practices as do homosexuals. The only small distinction is your choice of partner[s]. You choose to focus on that one distinction.

So if you only focus on partner, you are abnormal among educated humans, of your understanding of human sexuality.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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There are a lot of people making headlines these days for making anti-gay statements. These people are heavily criticized and some must even pay with their jobs and/or positions.

What I want to know is, why is it wrong to say that homosexuality is abnormal? It is one thing to spread hate speech or discriminate against someone because they are gay or deprive them of their civil rights because they are gay, but I really don't see why it is such a big deal when someone who is high profile says that being gay is abnormal, because it obviously is abnormal.

I have absolutely no ill will towards anyone who is gay. I could easily sit down and have a friendly convo with someone I knew was gay, and I fully support their right to have the same federal benefits as straight couples who've made a legal commitment to one another..... but do I think their sexual preferences are "normal" or "natural"?.....

no, I don't, and I don't see a problem with saying so. There are a lot of people who do things that are abnormal, but that doesn't mean I hate them or would discriminate against them for it.

Because too much honesty is taboo in Liberal/Progressive society.
The truth is rude if if hurts the feelings of someone in a protected class (eg anyone other than straight, white Christians)
And as far as most on the Left are concerned, being "rude" to anyone in any protected class is politically incorrect and therefore saying "abnormal" is analogous to saying "they rape children, kill puppies etc"

It's really no different than when they take the opinion of someone who disagrees with Obama care and turns it into "you want people to die"

Their thought processes really are just that twisted.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 04:28 AM
 
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Being gay is abnormal in the sense that being black or being Jewish or whatever is abnormal--it does not describe the majority of the population.

Anyway, if one says that being gay is abnormal, then many people might (perhaps sometimes incorrectly) interpret it as an attempt to say something bad about gay people.
Race is not a behavior. Homosexual acts are. There is no comparison. Homosexual acts are bad.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 04:34 AM
 
Location: texas
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Because too much honesty is taboo in Liberal/Progressive society.
The truth is rude if if hurts the feelings of someone in a protected class (eg anyone other than straight, white Christians)
And as far as most on the Left are concerned, being "rude" to anyone in any protected class is politically incorrect and therefore saying "abnormal" is analogous to saying "they rape children, kill puppies etc"

It's really no different than when they take the opinion of someone who disagrees with Obama care and turns it into "you want people to die"

Their thought processes really are just that twisted.
How is your tought process any different? Your post contains the very same elements you decry.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 04:59 AM
 
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My wife is Japanese. One day, we were at an amusement park. We were strolling our son around. This old guy and a kid walked by. The old man looked at the stroller and mumbled, "Must be some new species of monkey." and kept walking.

I stopped strolling. I whipped around and said, "What did you just say?" I don't care if he was 60, 70, or 80 or if it had been a younger racist. I was going to knock him out. At least confront the stupid. You always have to fight the stupid.
I can just imagine how shocking that would feel to get that sort of vile rude comment out of the blue from a stranger while you were enjoying a stroll with your family.
Like a bucket of crap being flung in your face
 
Old 01-08-2014, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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There are a lot of people making headlines these days for making anti-gay statements. These people are heavily criticized and some must even pay with their jobs and/or positions.

What I want to know is, why is it wrong to say that homosexuality is abnormal? It is one thing to spread hate speech or discriminate against someone because they are gay or deprive them of their civil rights because they are gay, but I really don't see why it is such a big deal when someone who is high profile says that being gay is abnormal, because it obviously is abnormal.

I have absolutely no ill will towards anyone who is gay. I could easily sit down and have a friendly convo with someone I knew was gay, and I fully support their right to have the same federal benefits as straight couples who've made a legal commitment to one another..... but do I think their sexual preferences are "normal" or "natural"?.....

no, I don't, and I don't see a problem with saying so. There are a lot of people who do things that are abnormal, but that doesn't mean I hate them or would discriminate against them for it.
Saying homosexuality is abnormal is hate speech. It legitimizes bigotry and discrimination by making homophobia a respectable form of prejudice. That's the main problem with it.

It also just isn't true. Available scientific evidence suggests differences in sexual orientation are just an example of normal human variation, not of pathology.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Being gay is abnormal in the sense that being black or being Jewish or whatever is abnormal--it does not describe the majority of the population.

Anyway, if one says that being gay is abnormal, then many people might (perhaps sometimes incorrectly) interpret it as an attempt to say something bad about gay people.
Yes and no.

Abnormal = different from what is normal or average

Heterosexuality is the more common, or average. Being black in a KKK meeting, or being jewish at a babtism, are both examples in UNCOMMON. Not the average, and could be considered abnormal.

I think the OP was trying to point out, that the word itself, abnormal, only has a negative connotation if we ascribe one to it. Without that association, it's simply the pointing out a difference from the norm.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Originally Posted by Futurist110 View Post
Being gay is abnormal in the sense that being black or being Jewish or whatever is abnormal--it does not describe the majority of the population.

Anyway, if one says that being gay is abnormal, then many people might (perhaps sometimes incorrectly) interpret it as an attempt to say something bad about gay people.
No being gay is abnormal in that it goes against the biological purpose of sexual drive which is procreation. For whatever reason, mother nature has told them to get out of the gene pool. However, there is a difference between saying something is abnormal and saying it is wrong. Saying something is abnormal is a simple statement of fact. Saying something is wrong is a moral judgment. My dd was born missing a nerve in her right eye (Duane Syndrome). That is abnormal. However, it isn't wrong. It just is what it is.
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