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Old 01-09-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The question: Why the government should promote heterosexual marriage

The answer: Because it benefits the nation as whole. It benefits the married, the unmarried and even the gays.
No, the question is how does denying a segment of society (homosexuals) further a compelling state interest.

So far not one case has been able to do so.

 
Old 01-09-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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Something that's completely lost on them.
How does denying my family the 1000+ legal protections of marriage benefit me?
 
Old 01-09-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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That case wasn't even about SSM, but thanks for proving that you know nothing about the subject of how marriage and reproduction are (not) connected in the governments eyes.

You seem to have skipped over the questions, yet again. MAybe if I re-post them you will finally answer them.

1. Does your new marriage rules only apply to same sex couples that can not or do not have children, or will it also apply to the elderly that marry, or sterile heterosexuals, or heterosexuals that do not want children?

2. Will you be voiding my mothers second marriage since she is post menopausal, and can not longer have children and is too old to adopt?

3. How about my sisters marriage? She had to have a hysterectomy due to a medical condition and can no longer reproduce, and her new husband doesn't want any children so she will not be adopting either.

4. How will promoting marriage for a couple that has biological children and gives them up for adoption, be more important than promoting marriage for the couples that adopt those children?
Still waiting OP? Why can't you answer basic questions pertaining to your plan?
 
Old 01-09-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Your arguments are illogical and rooted in bigotry, nothing more.
You are the first to say something like this.

This has been a very civil thread. Thank you all.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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The answer is simple, and it also answers why it should not promote, or allow same sex marriage or legalization of drugs

The government should promote those things which benefit the nation as whole. This is what "promote general welfare" in the Constitution means. Promoting traditional marriage benefits the nation as whole, because it brings forth new generations of people, and gives the children an opportunity to grow up in a family with a father and a mother, like nature intended. Familes stabilize the nation as whole. Kids who grow up in families are far less likely to end up as bad apples of the society. It keeps crime low, and number of productive people high. Family life even tames the men. It is also an economic issue, because a stable nation is an an economically thriving nation, with fewer people to support.

So, promoting traditional family benefits the nation as whole.

Same sex marriage does not benefit the nation in any way, so there is no reason to promote it.

The government does three things:

1. Promote those things which benefit the nation, like traditional family.

2. Allow freedoms. We are free to work, earn income and own property, live where we want etc

3. Prohibit those things which are harmful to the nation.

Violent crime is definetly harmful to the nation, which is why it is prohibited. Drug use is harmful to nation as whole which is why it is prohibited. Same sex marriage? I have yet to see one compelling reason why it should be promoted, or even allowed.
Sorry, dude, but we are not a straight nation, nor a christian one and we gay people also pay taxes and own property and have families, we work, we serve in the armed forces, we are just like everyone else and no matter what, we deserve the same treatment by the government. Right now less than 45% of heterosexuals even get married and many have children without getting married and the BIG ONE is that those 1049 federal benefits and protections have absolutely nothing to do with children, never have and never do. Here is one complelling reason, all of the tax dollars raised and fees from marriage licenses, all the money spent on weddings etc. But again, we support the system, we deserve the same back, not less. If anyone is getting special rights, special benefits, special treatment by the US federal government and the states, it is you straight people, many of which have no clue what those 1049 federal rights are about. Get a life, get a clue and get used to gays having equality under federal law. What harms this nations is all of the dissension caused by this kind of bull from people like you who cannot keep their minds off of what other people do. MYOFB and get out of my life.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The question: Why the government should promote heterosexual marriage

The answer: Because it benefits the nation as whole. It benefits the married, the unmarried and even the gays.
The divorce rate in the United States remains above 50%. The overwhelming majority of those divorces occur in heterosexual marriages. Doesn't appear to be working out all that well. And you want the government to promote it?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, you nutty Christian conservatives.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 11:05 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Thanks for the repetition. No one is telling you that you have to marry and have kids, you can stay single if you want to, but the other people who do create families provide for a more stable nation for everyone. Why is this so hard to understand?
Perhaps you need to clarify exactly how the government is going to "promote" heterosexual marriage.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
The answer is simple, and it also answers why it should not promote, or allow same sex marriage or legalization of drugs

The government should promote those things which benefit the nation as whole. This is what "promote general welfare" in the Constitution means. Promoting traditional marriage benefits the nation as whole, because it brings forth new generations of people, and gives the children an opportunity to grow up in a family with a father and a mother, like nature intended. Familes stabilize the nation as whole. Kids who grow up in families are far less likely to end up as bad apples of the society. It keeps crime low, and number of productive people high. Family life even tames the men. It is also an economic issue, because a stable nation is an an economically thriving nation, with fewer people to support.

So, promoting traditional family benefits the nation as whole.

Same sex marriage does not benefit the nation in any way, so there is no reason to promote it.

The government does three things:

1. Promote those things which benefit the nation, like traditional family.

2. Allow freedoms. We are free to work, earn income and own property, live where we want etc

3. Prohibit those things which are harmful to the nation.

Violent crime is definetly harmful to the nation, which is why it is prohibited. Drug use is harmful to nation as whole which is why it is prohibited. Same sex marriage? I have yet to see one compelling reason why it should be promoted, or even allowed.
ahahahaha stop being a bigot
 
Old 01-09-2014, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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The question: Why the government should promote heterosexual marriage

The answer: Because it benefits the nation as whole. It benefits the married, the unmarried and even the gays.
You sound like a freakin parrot, you keep saying the same thing over and over without any supporting rational whatsoever. Your entire thread is a total fail.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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You are the first to say something like this.

This has been a very civil thread. Thank you all.
This isn't our first time around the block on this subject. Arguing that same-sex marriage is like drugs and murder and should not be allowed is not civilized.
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