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Old 01-10-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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I fear for this nation

 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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Again, promote those things which benefit the nation as whole, and don't promote those which do not benefit the nation as whole.
Promoting monogamy is beneficial to the nation as a whole. Marriage promotes monogamy.
Promoting mutual support is beneficial to the nation as a whole. Marriage promotes mutual support.
Married people then to be healthier. Promoting healthy people is beneficial to the nation.
Marriage changes peoples lifestyle habits. People who are married go clubbing less often, and tend to take less risks. That benefits the nation as a whole.
Married couples then to have more savings. Having a cushion to fall back on instead of the welfare system benefits the nation.

You do not have to have mixed genders to accomplish any of those.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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lol of course you are going to say that but reality is you don't care if thre are negatve impacts, just about what you and other gays want. more than happy to use kids in your social experimentation
No, I have read the dozens of studies that have been done over the last 20+ years. What do you have to back up your claims?
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:21 AM
 
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protection from what? i don't think that is the word you are looking for
Do you seriously not know about all of the legal protections of marriage?

Marriage would protect our estate from death taxes. See the DOMA case. Edith Windsor had to pay $363,000 in estate taxes when her wife died.
Marriage makes you legal next of kin.
Marriage allows you to make medical decisions for your spouse. Even with a medical POA people are refused entrance into hospital rooms, and denied the ability to make decisions for their partner.

Here is a list you can read it for yourself.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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Do you seriously not know about all of the legal protections of marriage?

Marriage would protect our estate from death taxes. See the DOMA case. Edith Windsor had to pay $363,000 in estate taxes when her wife died.
Marriage makes you legal next of kin.
Marriage allows you to make medical decisions for your spouse. Even with a medical POA people are refused entrance into hospital rooms, and denied the ability to make decisions for their partner.

Here is a list you can read it for yourself.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf
none of that has to be tied to sexual relations, they could easily grant those rights without having it tied to marriage or sex
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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Laws are being written to support the gay-marriage scenario, and these laws will force others to accept homosexuality as normal, kids are being forced to listen schools promote gay agenda, businesses owners are being forced to serve homosexuals. People do not have the freedoms they used to have. The whole idea behind the gay agenda is to use the long arm of the law to force people to accept the gay agenda. It's not about marriage, as 90% of gays don't' want to get married in the fist place.
No, laws were written that cover discrimination in public accommodations. IF a person chooses to run a business, they are required to follow the laws of the state they are operating in.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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none of that has to be tied to sexual relations
ALL of that is tied to a marriage license. That is the reality of the situation. It is impossible to get the same legal protections with other contracts, and the government has stated (in the DOMA case) that they will not recognize anything except a legal civil marriage.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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ALL of that is tied to a marriage license. That is the reality of the situation. It is impossible to get the same legal protections with other contracts, and the government has stated (in the DOMA case) that they will not recognize anything except a legal civil marriage.
it doesn't have to be tied to marriage, that what was civil uniions was all about,
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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With these new gay rules, people are forbidden to live their lives according to their faith. They are being FORCED to accept things which fly against their religion, and that is a big problem.
What's the problem?

Their religious beliefs are a choice. They are free to choose to have different religious beliefs.

Just like some of these people say that gay people can just choose to be heterosexual or choose to marry someone of the opposite sex if they want to get married.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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it doesn't have to be tied to marriage, that what was civil uniions was all about,
And the federal government said SPECIFICALLY that they would not recognize anything but a legal civil MARRIAGE. I can have all the civil unions I want, and the federal government ( the ones that PROVIDE those protections) will not recognize it.

THAT is the fact in the situation.

Every state that has tried to have civil unions that "have exactly the same protections as marriage" for same sex couples has FAILED. Not one state has managed to make civil unions equal. Not one state that allows civil unions has those civil unions recognized for the 1000+ legal protections by the federal government.

So, yeah it's been tried and it has failed. Separate but equal does not work.
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