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Old 01-10-2014, 11:25 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Yes, like freedom to live your life by your faith. It has been a basic freedom in this nation, and it is under attack.
But your religious freedom does not give one freedom to discriminate when it comes to business. What if a Muslim business refused to do business with their Christian clientele, should that too be legal? Or if a business wanted to use their religious beliefs to deny Jews service? Your basic freedom of religion does not give one a get out of jail card for discrimination. Live your faith, read your bible, go to your church, have your weddings and pray all you want, but keep it out of business and politics for it is not everyones beliefs, just yours.

 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:29 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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just seems like you are making illogical convuluted arguments now. obviously no compelling reason why would must give gays marriage rights other than they won't stop whining about discrimination. lol
There is nothing illogical in seeing that since marriage obvioulsly is not about procreation nor the benefits that come with it, that there is no compelling reason to deny gays the same marriage rights. Give one good reason why to deny us marriage? One that does not include procreation or the bible or god for none of that is a matter the court would even listen to.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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There is nothing illogical in seeing that since marriage obvioulsly is not about procreation nor the benefits that come with it, that there is no compelling reason to deny gays the same marriage rights. Give one good reason why to deny us marriage? One that does not include procreation or the bible or god for none of that is a matter the court would even listen to.
As long as you redefine the purpose and function for why our culture and society demanded government's involvement in marriage.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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As long as you redefine the purpose and function for why our culture and society demanded government's involvement in marriage.
Property and inheritance issues. Homosexuals have property and inheritances too.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I think we should do away with marriage rights. Government doesn't need to be involved and obviously we can't agree what the criteria should be. My opinion it isn't about being rewarded for sexual relationships, it is supposed to be a little more complex than that, about kids. obviously that would rule out gays who don't have kids.

i also don't support gays adopting kids b/c we don't know how that impacts kids, to have two daddies or two mommies rather than mother and father, setting up kids to be bullied and kind of ending their innonence earlier too
So this wonderful social experiment of divorce and multiple step dads and step moms is working out really well of straight marriage? Isn't it? There is plenty of evidence that kids raised in two same sex parent families fair just as well as those in a Mom/Dad family. Come up with some real evidence that same sex parents damage kids anymore than divorced and remarried parents or single parents? Since those hurt the family, why are they not banned? I cannot believe these stupid threads keep being started by these stupid bigots who want to wage their war on a minority. How boring and pitiful your lives must be if all you can do is hate and spread hate. No one has any proof of how not promoting healthy and strong same sex marriages will hurt straight marriages. If anything promoting all relationships to be strong and healthy, regardless of if they have kids, is healthy for society as a whole, why just heterosexual families?
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I think the government should stay out of marriage.
Promoting traditional marriage does not intrude into anyone's lives, it just makes it a bit easier to raise kids in a stable environment.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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Promoting traditional marriage does not intrude into anyone's lives, it just makes it a bit easier to raise kids in a stable environment.
Likewise, promoting gay marriage does not intrude into anyone's lives, it just makes it a bit easier to raise kids in a stable environment.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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Promoting traditional marriage does not intrude into anyone's lives, it just makes it a bit easier to raise kids in a stable environment.
Allowing SSM does not intrude into anyone's lives, it just makes it a bit easier to raise kids in a stable environment.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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Property and inheritance issues. Homosexuals have property and inheritances too.
And if your state had civil unions for same sex couples you would have property and inheritance protections. But instead of striving for something most people would agree to, you bang heads with people by demanding we all must equate same sex couples with traditional marriage.
 
Old 01-10-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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Does it bother you that the government promotes the general welfare of the nation? Such promotion leaves everyone alone, so I don't get your anger. Why should it annoy you?
The issue in your post is not that the promotion of general welfare is a bad thing.

The issue here is the unproven assumption that a heterosexuality is a meaningful and significant indicator of the success of kids, persons, families, etc


You are probably confusing "marriage" with heterosexual marriage (and the cons against it). We know that single parent households (for example) have more issues with money, education, etc than dual-parent households. . .but the only evidence we have on homosexual households is that if they declare themselves homosexual households, and are men, they are highlight educated and make more money than a hetro-sexual household


Unwanted children (the product of single parents) is caused not by homsexual un-married women/men but almost entirely due to hetrosexual unions. Unlike your assertion, we have a lot of data that shows a positive impact to society . . .just look at the falling criminal rates after Roe vs Wade


The problem here isn't society doing the "right thing" . .the problem here is your confusing correlation and causation.


Personally, I think the Govt should heavily promote not marriage but sexual education, fee contraceptives, and easy access to government as the best way to prevent unwanted kids who become criminals
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