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OP, Please respond to the questions I have repeatedly posted. And your opinion on the Turner v Safely case where reproduction was not found to be a determining factor in the ability to get married.
One court case does not mean SSM suddenly benefits the nation. It doesn't, but traditional marriage does.
They adopted 14 kids abandoned, abused, and unwanted by heterosexuals out of foster care. Wouldn't you say allowing gay marriage to encourage things like this is good for society?
They adopted 14 kids abandoned, abused, and unwanted by heterosexuals out of foster care. Wouldn't you say allowing gay marriage to encourage things like this is good for society?
One court case does not mean SSM suddenly benefits the nation. It doesn't, but traditional marriage does.
Yes, with all the 'facts' you used to prove that traditional marriage is the only form of marriage that offers anything to society.
Not that I'm surprised, but you didn't address my question of what 'tradition' of marriage you were referring to. I assumed it was the one popularized in the early 1950s, after the industrial revolution started modernizing and white collar jobs were becoming the norm as people (mostly white) migrated from cities to the newly built suburbs. But you could have been talking about colonial times America, where marriage was more 'who had what land and was nearby' or traditional Indian marriage, where it's arranged by the parents. The latter two are both older and would be more 'traditional.'
Please address this issues that the right has thus far been afraid to address.
One court case does not mean SSM suddenly benefits the nation. It doesn't, but traditional marriage does.
That case wasn't even about SSM, but thanks for proving that you know nothing about the subject of how marriage and reproduction are (not) connected in the governments eyes.
You seem to have skipped over the questions, yet again. MAybe if I re-post them you will finally answer them.
1. Does your new marriage rules only apply to same sex couples that can not or do not have children, or will it also apply to the elderly that marry, or sterile heterosexuals, or heterosexuals that do not want children?
2. Will you be voiding my mothers second marriage since she is post menopausal, and can not longer have children and is too old to adopt?
3. How about my sisters marriage? She had to have a hysterectomy due to a medical condition and can no longer reproduce, and her new husband doesn't want any children so she will not be adopting either.
4. How will promoting marriage for a couple that has biological children and gives them up for adoption, be more important than promoting marriage for the couples that adopt those children?
Like I said traditional familes provide a stable society, and that benefits everyone, not only those who are married. So, yes, it is "promoting general welfare". Anything that benefits the nation as whole is "promoting general welfare". Promoting SSM is an example of something which DOES NOT benefit the nation as whole.
What the hell is a "stable society"? For that matter what the hell is a traditional family? Who decides what is beneficial and what is detrimental? You?
It's not about right or wrong, it is about the welfare of the nation
Who are you to decide what is in the nation’s best interest?
What intrusion? No one is telling you that you have to marry and have kids, you can stay single if you want to, but the other people who do create families provide for a more stable nation for everyone. Why is this so hard to understand?
Personal relationships are the most private of personal issues. It is a blatant intrusion for the government to involve itself in any way shape or form in anyone’s personal relationship.
We have already been down that road and you had psychopaths trying to legislate what race people could marry, what kinds of sex you can have, and other oppressive standards which invade privacy and nullify personal rights.
The answer is simple, and it also answers why it should not promote, or allow same sex marriage or legalization of drugs
The government should promote those things which benefit the nation as whole. This is what "promote general welfare" in the Constitution means. Promoting traditional marriage benefits the nation as whole, because it brings forth new generations of people, and gives the children an opportunity to grow up in a family with a father and a mother, like nature intended. Familes stabilize the nation as whole. Kids who grow up in families are far less likely to end up as bad apples of the society. It keeps crime low, and number of productive people high. Family life even tames the men. It is also an economic issue, because a stable nation is an an economically thriving nation, with fewer people to support.
So, promoting traditional family benefits the nation as whole.
Same sex marriage does not benefit the nation in any way, so there is no reason to promote it.
The government does three things:
1. Promote those things which benefit the nation, like traditional family.
2. Allow freedoms. We are free to work, earn income and own property, live where we want etc
3. Prohibit those things which are harmful to the nation.
Violent crime is definetly harmful to the nation, which is why it is prohibited. Drug use is harmful to nation as whole which is why it is prohibited. Same sex marriage? I have yet to see one compelling reason why it should be promoted, or even allowed.
So when should we expect the government to ban divorce and adultery?
Oh, and your understanding of the Constitution and government is horrendous.
The answer is simple, and it also answers why it should not promote, or allow same sex marriage or legalization of drugs
The government should promote those things which benefit the nation as whole. This is what "promote general welfare" in the Constitution means. Promoting traditional marriage benefits the nation as whole, because it brings forth new generations of people, and gives the children an opportunity to grow up in a family with a father and a mother, like nature intended. Familes stabilize the nation as whole. Kids who grow up in families are far less likely to end up as bad apples of the society. It keeps crime low, and number of productive people high. Family life even tames the men. It is also an economic issue, because a stable nation is an an economically thriving nation, with fewer people to support.
So, promoting traditional family benefits the nation as whole.
Same sex marriage does not benefit the nation in any way, so there is no reason to promote it.
The government does three things:
1. Promote those things which benefit the nation, like traditional family.
2. Allow freedoms. We are free to work, earn income and own property, live where we want etc
3. Prohibit those things which are harmful to the nation.
Violent crime is definetly harmful to the nation, which is why it is prohibited. Drug use is harmful to nation as whole which is why it is prohibited. Same sex marriage? I have yet to see one compelling reason why it should be promoted, or even allowed.
Oh, you mean like Michelle Obama trying to promote healthier eating, and conservative heads exploding? Kind of like that? After all, it would benefit the nation as a whole if people weren't the size of water buffaloes. How about when NY tried to ban sodas the size of bathtubs? You'd be OK with that, I suppose? I'm guessing....not so much. The right had hissy fits.
But...but....it would benefit the nation!!
But NOOOOO! Lets pick on the gays!
What intrusion? No one is telling you that you have to marry and have kids, you can stay single if you want to, but the other people who do create families provide for a more stable nation for everyone. Why is this so hard to understand?
And homosexuals can, and do, create families while millions of legally married heterosexuals do not create families. This is where your "logic" fails.
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