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Old 02-10-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
The collapse of Tower 7 is especially remarkable.

world trade towere number 7 collapse - Bing Videos
Why is it when the twoofers talk about bld7, people never:

1. Admit that the building got BADLY damaged when the towers fell:

a) the entire front fascia was sheared off

b) a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)

2. Admit that there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building. (this article PROVES the substation and the new one rebuilt in May04,, It also gives a good description of the transformers)

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation - GOVERNOR PATAKI JOINS CON EDISON TO MARK OPENING OF ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AT 7 WORLD TRADE CENTER

3. Admit that the building had 20 or more back up generators (4 on the 23rd floor, 3 on the 7th floor, 14 on the 5th floor, 1 on the 8th floor w/fuel tank, 4 on the 46th floor, 1 on the 9th floor)(Proves the FACT of many things that could have BLOWN up within the building supporting the statements of "heard explosions")

4. Admit that the building had 22 main Transformers(which can explode if heated(full of oil))(some of them 2 stories tall) and 2 dry transformers (10 1st floor, 12 5th floor, 2 7th floor)(proves the FACT of more things that could have blown up)

5. Admit that the Fuel source for those generators was stored in the building and equaled 18 tankers (18,000 gallons on the 2nd floor, and 48,000 in the lower level, 300 gallons on the 23rd floor, 300 gallons on the 5th floor, 100 gallons on the 9th floor, 300 gallons on the 7th floor)(proves the FACT of a major fuel source, along with all the office furnature)

6. Admit the there was LP gas lines running throughout the building

7. Admit that the Penthouse fell FIRST

8. Admit that the building did NOT fall symmetrically it collapsed from the center(the north wall even covered the debris

9. Admit that it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

10. Admit that the FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

A) I will give just two,,,,"We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors." –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...HIC/9110081.PDF

b). The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110217.PDF

11. Admit that there was a problem with the water supply(NO WATER)

12 the only mention "3 buildings" but not the other 18 buildings were destroyed that day in NYC

13. Admit that to wire a building.:

.......a) would take months.

.......b) beams would HAVE to be cut ,making the building NOT safe to go into for months prior to the collapse(proves that there is not way the building could have been imploded since monday sept 10 was a WORK DAY)

.......c) explosives don't like fire and heat

........d) that the term "pull" is NOT used in Explosive demos

 
Old 02-10-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
Why is it when the twoofers talk about bld7, people never:

1. Admit that the building got BADLY damaged when the towers fell:

a) the entire front fascia was sheared off

b) a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)

2. Admit that there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building. (this article PROVES the substation and the new one rebuilt in May04,, It also gives a good description of the transformers)

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation - GOVERNOR PATAKI JOINS CON EDISON TO MARK OPENING OF ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AT 7 WORLD TRADE CENTER

3. Admit that the building had 20 or more back up generators (4 on the 23rd floor, 3 on the 7th floor, 14 on the 5th floor, 1 on the 8th floor w/fuel tank, 4 on the 46th floor, 1 on the 9th floor)(Proves the FACT of many things that could have BLOWN up within the building supporting the statements of "heard explosions")

4. Admit that the building had 22 main Transformers(which can explode if heated(full of oil))(some of them 2 stories tall) and 2 dry transformers (10 1st floor, 12 5th floor, 2 7th floor)(proves the FACT of more things that could have blown up)

5. Admit that the Fuel source for those generators was stored in the building and equaled 18 tankers (18,000 gallons on the 2nd floor, and 48,000 in the lower level, 300 gallons on the 23rd floor, 300 gallons on the 5th floor, 100 gallons on the 9th floor, 300 gallons on the 7th floor)(proves the FACT of a major fuel source, along with all the office furnature)

6. Admit the there was LP gas lines running throughout the building

7. Admit that the Penthouse fell FIRST

8. Admit that the building did NOT fall symmetrically it collapsed from the center(the north wall even covered the debris

9. Admit that it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

10. Admit that the FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

A) I will give just two,,,,"We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors." –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...HIC/9110081.PDF

b). The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110217.PDF

11. Admit that there was a problem with the water supply(NO WATER)

12 the only mention "3 buildings" but not the other 18 buildings were destroyed that day in NYC

13. Admit that to wire a building.:

.......a) would take months.

.......b) beams would HAVE to be cut ,making the building NOT safe to go into for months prior to the collapse(proves that there is not way the building could have been imploded since monday sept 10 was a WORK DAY)

.......c) explosives don't like fire and heat

........d) that the term "pull" is NOT used in Explosive demos
Wow, that was a fast answer. Pre packaged and ready to go. Interesting.
 
Old 02-10-2014, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
Not sure of yours either:
my point is just that

anyone believing the conspiracy nuts: (controlled demolition , inside job, space ray beam) must be on drugs

the FACTS are there 2 planes hit the twin towers (I saw it live as I worked in the city,and was a first responder) causing much destruction and loss of life

the tower held up and allowed people to escape before they fell down

many people died...many firemen (they are the real heroes here) died

it was not a controlled demolition
 
Old 02-10-2014, 06:15 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
my point is just that

anyone believing the conspiracy nuts: (controlled demolition , inside job, space ray beam) must be on drugs

the FACTS are there 2 planes hit the twin towers (I saw it live as I worked in the city,and was a first responder) causing much destruction and loss of life

the tower held up and allowed people to escape before they fell down

many people died...many firemen (they are the real heroes here) died

it was not a controlled demolition
I don't use drugs, sorry to burst your quaalude theory.

How did you type that last response in just three minutes flat, links and all? Your nyt links don't work, btw.

Last edited by MissTerri; 02-10-2014 at 06:28 PM..
 
Old 02-10-2014, 07:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
no I don't deny the truth

terrorists hijacked 4 planes, steering 3 on them into buildings, causing a great amount of damage and death
Hijacked? Hmmm, not so sure. Are you sure?

Steered 3 planes into buildings? Surely that happened.. at least TWO planes.

Causing a great deal of damage and death? Positively.

Now, define "terrorist"
 
Old 02-10-2014, 08:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chin_Muzik_NJ View Post

Now, define "terrorist"
A drone is NOT a terrorist, a joysticker is.
 
Old 02-10-2014, 08:34 PM
 
Location: CO
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Human error

That one sticking point is the Achilles' heel of any conspiracy theory.
People can't keep secrets. People make mistakes. People talk.
Some have obviously given this a lot of thought while also giving WAY TOO MUCH credit to our fellow, flawed humans.
 
Old 02-10-2014, 08:57 PM
 
13,303 posts, read 7,870,141 times
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Originally Posted by TrexDigit View Post
Human error

That one sticking point is the Achilles' heel of any conspiracy theory.
People can't keep secrets. People make mistakes. People talk.
Some have obviously given this a lot of thought while also giving WAY TOO MUCH credit to our fellow, flawed humans.
Nobody is going to believe nobody but the government.
 
Old 02-10-2014, 09:19 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
Wow, that was a fast answer. Pre packaged and ready to go. Interesting.
Prepackaged. Hm. Conspiracy? Lol
 
Old 02-10-2014, 09:21 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chin_Muzik_NJ View Post
Hijacked? Hmmm, not so sure. Are you sure?

Steered 3 planes into buildings? Surely that happened.. at least TWO planes.

Causing a great deal of damage and death? Positively.

Now, define "terrorist"

Someone who flies planes full of people into buildings full of people?
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