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Can you cite that Indian men in America are sex offenders because American women are easy? There are much more black and white sex offenders in America than Indian ones.
Can you site a study that explains that Indians hate our way of life? It appears that you're making stuff up again.
We should cater to our diplomatic policy. Why should we sacrifice our integrity just because a foreigner broke the law?
Part of the problem is the knee-jerk hatred some people feel towards anybody they think is different from them. This particular thread obviously resents the offshoring of jobs to India, and somehow conflates that with "hating our way of life". The poster really needs to direct his ire towards red blooded American CEOs who mercilessly cut jobs here to save money.
Of course, it's a lot easier to make a bunch of strange brown people with funny accents the proverbial fall guy, and a lot harder to look someone like Jack Welsh or Sam Palmisano in the eye and call a spade a spade.
Part of the problem is the knee-jerk hatred some people feel towards anybody they think is different from them. This particular thread obviously resents the offshoring of jobs to India, and somehow conflates that with "hating our way of life". The poster really needs to direct his ire towards red blooded American CEOs who mercilessly cut jobs here to save money.
Of course, it's a lot easier to make a bunch of strange brown people with funny accents the proverbial fall guy, and a lot harder to look someone like Jack Welsh or Sam Palmisano in the eye and call a spade a spade.
Did you read what you wanted to read, did you read the entire thread?
Waaaaaay of course here captain. Check your compass. It's about US injustice enacting US laws against foreigners, especially diplomats, who commit a crime in the US.
The US has been outsourcing jobs and industries to MANY countries, including China. but I guess you didn't know that.
No hatred, captain, towards people from other countries. If there is any ire, it's towards our government that gave corporations the right to destroy the manufacturing industries with nice tax breaks while destroying the lives of Americans and improving the lives and the economies of foreign countries. It's towards a country that wouldn't be where it is today dictating to our government regarding their own criminals. Irony: Obama taking a US tour to bring back manufacturing industries that we will never see again. I'm sure that the technician who went to college to get a degree is just hoping for that minimum wage job that Obama wants to create for him. That same very technician that trained the person that went back to India along with his job.
Having said that....................... let's get back on topic. Should a foreign diplomat be allowed to commit a crime on US soil, indicted for committing a felony - visa fraud, and the US ignore it because that person is "special"? DO you think if you committed a felony you should be given a pass because you are not "special" but nothing more than just an American with no status?
Did you read what you wanted to read, did you read the entire thread?
Waaaaaay of course here captain. Check your compass. It's about US injustice enacting US laws against foreigners, especially diplomats, who commit a crime in the US.
The US has been outsourcing jobs and industries to MANY countries, including China. but I guess you didn't know that.
No hatred, captain, towards people from other countries. If there is any ire, it's towards our government that gave corporations the right to destroy the manufacturing industries with nice tax breaks while destroying the lives of Americans and improving the lives and the economies of foreign countries. It's towards a country that wouldn't be where it is today dictating to our government regarding their own criminals. Irony: Obama taking a US tour to bring back manufacturing industries that we will never see again. I'm sure that the technician who went to college to get a degree is just hoping for that minimum wage job that Obama wants to create for him. That same very technician that trained the person that went back to India along with his job.
Having said that....................... let's get back on topic. Should a foreign diplomat be allowed to commit a crime on US soil, indicted for committing a felony - visa fraud, and the US ignore it because that person is "special"? DO you think if you committed a felony you should be given a pass because you are not "special" but nothing more than just an American with no status?
My offshoring comment was aimed at the post that discussed just that. Not every post in this thread is about the diplomat. I was personally very very close to getting laid off because of offshoring, but managed to stay ahead with my skills until I retired, so I am very familiar with the history, thank you. No need for condescension here.
Back on topic, yes. Nobody should be given a pass - including Americans who break the law overseas, including one Raymond Davies that you don't like to discuss. That said, diplomatic protocol exists for a reason, although I understand that in this case she didn't have diplomatic status until after the fact.
Visa fraud? How about the several companies who hire undocumented workers? How many of those owners have you seen prosecuted? It is estimated that we have roughly 12 million undocumented workers in this country - somebody is employing them. Why all the fuss over one consul, when we're getting ready to provide legal status to 12 million?
All said and done, the incident is barely a blip on anybody's radar and it looks like we got one of our own back from India - fair enough. It will be interesting to watch how American corporate interests react to all this, assuming the Indians don't let this die down, and turn to European or Russian arms instead. Turns out India is one of our biggest - if not the biggest - arms buyer. I wonder how the MIC will react then.
By the way, I do also want to point out that if we get overly picky with how we prosecute foreign consuls and diplomats (as their status permits, of course), we are exposing our own consuls and diplomats to potentially far worse treatment. In many countries, and I'm not saying India is an example, the law tends to be questionable and Americans could fall in the clutches of kangaroo courts.
That is why it is often better to resolve such matters quietly, with as little abrasion as possible.
This. India is a joke and practically a third world country. Who cares?
US is lagging on all leading metrics, be it patents, education in Math, Physics, Manufacturing, disparity of income, unemployment rates etc. None of which US leads so technically if India, being the 10 largest economy in the world, is still a 3rd world country then US can't be a 1st world country either. Btw, economist use the term developing country now instead of the term 3rd world. This comment is ignorant and ill informed.
Also, most progress in US due to enterprising immigrants from India and other countries. If that trend reverses all this nationalistic chest thumping by US citizens will turn into a sham monkey show and nothing else. As they say, times are a changing!
Back on topic, yes. Nobody should be given a pass - including Americans who break the law overseas, including one Raymond Davies that you don't like to discuss. That said, diplomatic protocol exists for a reason, although I understand that in this case she didn't have diplomatic status until after the fact.
Visa fraud? How about the several companies who hire undocumented workers? How many of those owners have you seen prosecuted? It is estimated that we have roughly 12 million undocumented workers in this country - somebody is employing them. Why all the fuss over one consul, when we're getting ready to provide legal status to 12 million?
All said and done, the incident is barely a blip on anybody's radar and it looks like we got one of our own back from India - fair enough. It will be interesting to watch how American corporate interests react to all this, assuming the Indians don't let this die down, and turn to European or Russian arms instead. Turns out India is one of our biggest - if not the biggest - arms buyer. I wonder how the MIC will react then.
I think Americans who break the law (whether or not on diplomatic postings) abroad should have to answer for those crimes.
I'm also very much against employing OR amnestying our illegal immigrant population. They need to be rounded up and deported.
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Originally Posted by gsc999
US is lagging on all leading metrics, be it patents, education in Math, Physics, Manufacturing, disparity of income, unemployment rates etc. None of which US leads so technically if India, being the 10 largest economy in the world, is still a 3rd world country then US can't be a 1st world country either. Btw, economist use the term developing country now instead of the term 3rd world. This comment is ignorant and ill informed.
Also, most progress in US due to enterprising immigrants from India and other countries. If that trend reverses all this nationalistic chest thumping by US citizens will turn into a sham monkey show and nothing else. As they say, times are a changing!
People make the mistake of assuming that the Indians they see here are typical. They're not. And a lot of them are nothing special, either. I've worked with many university-educated Indians who couldn't program their way out of a wet paper bag. Or take responsibility for anything. Or be self-starters. Or think outside the box. Etc.
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