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There are 36 million seniors according to the chart, not in the labor force...
that leaves 56 million left under age 65...
And people always went to college as well..
You guys act like retiring and college are newly discovered activities..
I really can't make it any simpler. 36 million over an average 13 years (life expectancy of 78) is a far greater proportion than 56 million over 47 years (17 to 64).
And college enrollment is up 37% between 2000 and 2010. Thats three and a half times the rate over the previous decade. So really yes, going to college at these levels is new.
...and yet, under Bush during those years we had year after year of statistical full employment.
Under Obama things are reversed. Exactly like Al Gore said "Everything that should be down is up. Everything that should be up is down."
The housing bubble drove the economy occurred during the Bush years. When huge numbers of homeowners prematurely drain the paper equity out of of their homes to live beyond their means, it can and did goose the economy for a brief period of time.
How many were employed in the lending, appraisal, real estate brokerage, title insurance and home inspection sectors that grew and died with the housing market?
Construction in some areas of Florida, California, Arizona and Nevada was non stop. Home improvement stores were wild with business.
Also, be aware that 15% of all manufacturing jobs were permanently eliminated during the period of 2000-2010 due to technology. For a spec in time, many of those who lost their jobs were able to secure employment in a sector benefitting from the bubble.
It all ended when the bubble burst.
I do not hold Bush or Congress responsible for the bubble. I also do not give Bush or Congress any credit for the employment numbers that were temporarily achieved during the bubble.
In absence of the housing bubble, the employment numbers of the 2000's would have been miserable.
I really can't make it any simpler. 36 million over an average 13 years (life expectancy of 78) is a far greater proportion than 56 million over 47 years (17 to 64).
And college enrollment is up 37% between 2000 and 2010. Thats three and a half times the rate over the previous decade. So really yes, going to college at these levels is new.
And there are 4 million more retired folks now WORKING than were before..
I must admit he's been successful in transforming America into a banana republic. No question it's quite obvious that Obama despises America. He's truly the manchurian candidate.
The sad thing is that liberals pine for a "socialist state", but fail to appreciate that "socialism" has failed in every other venue in which it has been attempted. It is sheer lunacy to assume that somehow the US can, and will, be different.
Working for the pleasure of others defies human nature. Those who understand the tyranny of compulsory labor should understand that socialism is simply a "shade of grey" of the same priniciple. When the balance of one's labor goes to the government to support others, there is a sense that the boundries of personal liberty have been violated and that we have entered a road to tyranny.
Oddly, those who end up "paying the bill" for all of the socialist programs are the middle class and the modestly wealthy. The "uber rich" can avoid many of the taxes via simply converting "income" into captial gains and deductions.
Thus, the engine of socialism guts the middle class and creates more of a two-tiered, oligarchy in the US. Liberals, not being offended by monarchies and totalitarian states, tend to believe in the power of an "enlighted elite" and are not opposed to such a system.
The sad thing is that liberals pine for a "socialist state", but fail to appreciate that "socialism" has failed in every other venue in which it has been attempted. It is sheer lunacy to assume that somehow the US can, and will, be different.
Working for the pleasure of others defies human nature. Those who understand the tyranny of compulsory labor should understand that socialism is simply a "shade of grey" of the same priniciple. When the balance of one's labor goes to the government to support others, there is a sense that the boundries of personal liberty have been violated and that we have entered a road to tyranny.
Oddly, those who end up "paying the bill" for all of the socialist programs are the middle class and the modestly wealthy. The "uber rich" can avoid many of the taxes via simply converting "income" into captial gains and deductions.
Thus, the engine of socialism guts the middle class and creates more of a two-tiered, oligarchy in the US. Liberals, not being offended by monarchies and totalitarian states, tend to believe in the power of an "enlighted elite" and are not opposed to such a system.
Sigh. Another rightie who throws around the word socialism incorrectly. Socialism means the people own the means of production. Record corporate profits don't mesh with your name calling now does it?
I`m sure all of this makes you happy but I don`t think that people should be forced to seek employment when they don`t need a job.
When the only reason they don't "need" a job is because they are getting federal (taxpayer-funded) benefits, then YES--they should be forced to seek employment.
Sigh. Another rightie who throws around the word socialism incorrectly. Socialism means the people own the means of production. Record corporate profits don't mesh with your name calling now does it?
Another "lefty" wrong again. I find it hilarious when libs (who have conferred themselves MENSA memberships by pulling a "D" lever) are consistently wrong. You have confused communism with socialism.
Another "lefty" wrong again. I find it hilarious when libs (who have conferred themselves MENSA memberships by pulling a "D" lever) are consistently wrong. You have confused communism with socialism.
Essentially just a different 'ism' flavor, like the D n R game. Some are just more effective at raking in it for those at the top. They all also follow the model of utilizing an emergent market to maximize profit. So booms and bust, recycle.
Can actually go back much further, but the hierarchical corporate structure is very easily traceable to here.
Originally Posted by CDusr It's true they are part of the same mind set. Nothing really new. Hierarchical control, manage and profit (shear). It's always been business management of the plantation. But ultimately corporatism is what describes it best imo.
Corporatism
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In 1881, Pope Leo XIII commissioned theologians and social thinkers to study corporatism and provide a definition for it. In 1884 in Freiburg, the commission declared that corporatism was a "system of social organization that has at its base the grouping of men according to the community of their natural interests and social functions, and as true and proper organs of the state they direct and coordinate labor and capital in matters of common interest".
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Corporatist types of community and social interaction are common to many ideologies, including: absolutism, capitalism, conservatism, fascism, liberalism, progressivism, reactionism, socialism, and syndicalism.
... Fascist corporatism
Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved management of sectors of the economy by government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, theoretically, represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. This method, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes.[30] Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was also used to reduce opposition and reward political loyalty.
... corporatism (ideology) -- Encyclopedia Britannica
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the theory and practice of organizing society into “corporations” subordinate to the state. According to corporatist theory, workers and employers would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction.
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