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Old 01-14-2014, 06:54 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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What about the Jews that were murdered in Hebron in the West Bank in 1929? Does this justify Israelis get control of the lands there?

 
Old 01-14-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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I am pretty sure Israel doesn't want Gaza back and them keeping the West Bank is dangerous as well but slightly more difficult.
If Gaza does not sever itself from Hamas rule soon and move forward economically, it will turn into a Afghanistan. It will become an area that cannot support itself. Egypt is at the point that once they're finished with the Muslim Brotherhood then they are going after Hamas. Egypt is destroying all the tunnels, rebuilding the walls and cutting off maritime activities from their side. So they will end up with only one border crossing which Egypt closes more than Israel does. Except for Qatar they have no friends left. If we add the UN to the mix, the UN is nearly bankrupt dealing with Syria. The UN has been slowly cutting operations in Gaza and it will come to a point where they completely shut down. Israel may not want it back, but it may not have a choice to intervene and physically take it over to protect the people from the Egyptians.

As to Judea and Samaria (West Bank), once Israel has finished their wall/fence they will cut them off. Jordan has already stated that they do not want a common border with them (WB). They only have a simple fence, but the concrete wall may be in their future. And if Fatah doesn't re-invent itself soon, their own people will attempt to remove them from power. The people look at Israeli Arabs and see how well they live compared to themselves and wish they had the same freedoms.

So as to all Palestinians, as the funds go to zero at the UN they will at least still a multigenerational refugee status but it will be worth nothing. They can get recognized in the UN and again it will worth nothing. None of their current leaders or current groups are looking at the future for them as a people, just their own agendas and that's a shame.
 
Old 01-14-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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So? They were evicted from places in Europe too...far more than a million. I don't see them evicting Europeans from their lands as payback.

And no...they didn't trade places. They weren't evicted from those places by Palestinian Arabs. That's not their problem.

And if that's your justification, then the Palestinians have every right to launch terrorist attacks.
This is a controversial yet interesting video:


how zionists expelled jews from iraq - YouTube
 
Old 01-14-2014, 04:43 PM
 
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So? They were evicted from places in Europe too...far more than a million. I don't see them evicting Europeans from their lands as payback.

And no...they didn't trade places. They weren't evicted from those places by Palestinian Arabs. That's not their problem.

And if that's your justification, then the Palestinians have every right to launch terrorist attacks.
Reflections By An Arab Jew - Ella Shohat
 
Old 01-14-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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So? They were evicted from places in Europe too...far more than a million. I don't see them evicting Europeans from their lands as payback.

And no...they didn't trade places. They weren't evicted from those places by Palestinian Arabs. That's not their problem.

And if that's your justification, then the Palestinians have every right to launch terrorist attacks.

PALESTINIAN JEWS English Subtitles - YouTube
 
Old 01-14-2014, 05:05 PM
 
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This is a controversial yet interesting video:
Outside of the bombings, the early Zionists had their agenda. But if you got anything from this video the Jews were forced to leave everything behind. And who moved into their homes? Palestinians.
 
Old 01-14-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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Outside of the bombings, the early Zionists had their agenda. But if you got anything from this video the Jews were forced to leave everything behind. And who moved into their homes? Palestinians.
Hmm, at this point or since the beginning transgressions have gone both ways and in between. Why can't everyone just live in peace and in unison and get along?

And plenty of Jews (of all races and ethnicities and diasporic nationalities and cultures etc) moved into the homes of Palestinians (of all races snd religions including Palestinian Jews since some Palestinians are/were Jews) displacing them. So if you are going to bring up Jews supposedly being displaced, if there is anything else you got from the video posted, it's that NON Jewish locals and natives were also displaced by incoming arrival of Zionist and immigrant/migrant Jewish settlers.

So, is it an issue if Palestinian Jews moved into Jewish homes of NON Palestinians?



This whole issue should have been arbitrated better, before they thought about going the way they went about it and the land. Ppl need to just share these lands in peace, period.

Although this issue was created to help cause division and it was political and used to protect foreign and outside interests and agendas.

It's just crazy.

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Old 01-14-2014, 06:29 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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This whole issue should have been arbitrated better, before they thought about going the way they went about it and the land. Ppl need to just share these lands in peace, period.

Although this issue was created to help cause division and it was political and used to protect foreign and outside interests and agendas.

It's just crazy.
We need to go back to pre-1948 and look who has what agendas? Zionists had an agenda of creating a homeland for Jews. The British had an agenda to get Arabs to fight for the allies. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was allied to the Nazis and was based in Egypt. The GM learned the power of propaganda from the Nazis and passed false information to the Egyptians who passed it to other Arabs. Take the GM out of the mix and there would've been two nations. With the GM in the mix, who were the Jews fighting in the Mandate if the Arab residents were told to leave? Not the Arab residents, but foreign soldiers from other countries. So under the GM residents were not part of the decision process. After the 1949 Armistice residents had no part in the decision process (Egypt annexed Gaza, Jordan annexed WB). Jump to 1967 with Gaza and WB in Israels hands, who made decisions for them? Again not its citizens. Read the Khartoum Declaration. Keep in mind the Palestinians were on a road to independence in 1964 by creating its own council and its own covenant. But certain Arab leaders had their own agendas.

http://www.beyondimages.info/b103.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Council
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Covenant
 
Old 01-14-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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YUPPP, the Headchoppers are all bu**hurt that they have been spanked so many times by Israel and those evvvvvvuuuullll Jews..........LMFAO!
 
Old 01-14-2014, 07:41 PM
 
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There's been a million different versions of what happened, and I don't believe any stories at this point. Israel has a version (favorable to them), and ditto for the Palestinians (same crap).

The bottom line is that three quarters of a million Palestinians left their HOMES, and weren't allowed to return to their HOMES. I don't care why they left and what the story is. Your home and your village are just that, and you have every right to return to them.

So at this point, I don't wanna hear anymore versions of the story...it's unimportant.
There is a definitive truth.

Don't you think it's odd that you don't care to know?
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