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Old 01-17-2014, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No, you don't, but feel free to cite evidence from a neutral source supporting your claim.

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None of the talking points provides proof so don't hold your breath waiting.
Gullible people "just believe". They never ask how. They never ask for details providing proof of statements from their leaders.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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No, you don't, but feel free to cite evidence from a neutral source supporting your claim.

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Mircea
Uninsured Healthcare Tab- $49 Billion Annually

The Cost-Shift Payment

Yes Im sure the hospitals just eat the costs and wisp their wand around and magically make those loses just disappear. No, the insured don't get charged extra because of uncompensated care.

Part of the issue is making sure people receive health coverage either by private or government entities. The other issue is the hospitals, pharmaceutical and health equipment industries, who go in dry from the behind and overcharge us because, our govt. is so beholden to these special interest groups. We effectively cant negotiate for lower prices.

EVERY other country has a lower cost of care BECAUSE of the govt., via massive bargaining power the govt. has due to being large in size. This bargaining power allows for the same care for cheaper prices.

Ill keep asking over and over again, if govt care has raised the price of healthcare, why do countries where there govt. is MORE involved have lower health care prices?
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Their care doesn't come at the expense of everything else, such as the ability to find a job, or the ability of a company to hire and fire folks based on their needs as opposed to government mandates; most of Europe is in the same fix as a result of these shortsighted policies.

Our tax code thanks to a really stupid Democratic President known as FDR certainly accounts for the asinine connection between employment and healthcare, and which our current President has no intention of doing away with, sad to say.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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Those of us who are insured already pay for those those who are not. It has nothing to do with the ACA.
Thats one of the biggest lies ever told by this administration.

Insurance companies pay a UCR/ICD10 rate, and it has nothing to do with the fact that others might not be paying a dime and skipping out on the bills.

The hospital eats the cost for those who are uninsured and dont pay, but even if everyone paid their bill, the reinbursement rate wouldnt change..
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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Thats one of the biggest lies ever told by this administration.

Insurance companies pay a UCR/ICD10 rate, and it has nothing to do with the fact that others might not be paying a dime and skipping out on the bills.

The hospital eats the cost for those who are uninsured and dont pay, but even if everyone paid their bill, the reinbursement rate wouldnt change..
Did you ever think what you posted doesnt even make sense? How the heck do insureres write off 1/3 of their bills? You must be another Tea Partier on Mediicare, Tricare, or VA an totally out of the loop on the cost of health care.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:29 PM
 
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Did you ever think what you posted doesnt even make sense? How the heck do insureres write off 1/3 of their bills? You must be another Tea Partier on Mediicare, Tricare, or VA an totally out of the loop on the cost of health care.
Ooh look, here comes borregokid with his broken non stop record over tea partiers,medicare, tricare, VA, babble babble babble babble of hate...

Come back when you want to have a discussion and not just ramble the same nonsense over and over...
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
Thats one of the biggest lies ever told by this administration.

Insurance companies pay a UCR/ICD10 rate, and it has nothing to do with the fact that others might not be paying a dime and skipping out on the bills.

The hospital eats the cost for those who are uninsured and dont pay, but even if everyone paid their bill, the reinbursement rate wouldnt change..
Do you seriously think hospitals just "eat" the costs? Really? You don't think they recoup those costs by
A. Charging the insurance companies more for their services
B. Getting tax writeoffs for those loses?
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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Do you seriously think hospitals just "eat" the costs? Really? You don't think they recoup those costs by
A. Charging the insurance companies more for their services
B. Getting tax writeoffs for those loses?
If proceedure A has a reinbursement rate of $100, and they bill $5,000, but get paid $100 from the insurance company, where do you think the other $4900 will come from?

They can charge an insurance company ANY amount, they will ONLY pay the predetermined reinbusement rate.. Thats how it works..
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:32 PM
 
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Thats one of the biggest lies ever told by this administration.

Insurance companies pay a UCR/ICD10 rate, and it has nothing to do with the fact that others might not be paying a dime and skipping out on the bills.

The hospital eats the cost for those who are uninsured and dont pay, but even if everyone paid their bill, the reinbursement rate wouldnt change..
Who do you think pays for the uninsured. It's not a lie, it's a fact. Do you think they get health care for free. No we pay for the uninsured.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:45 PM
 
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Who do you think pays for the uninsured. It's not a lie, it's a fact. Do you think they get health care for free. No we pay for the uninsured.
This should be good.

If the hospital performs procedure X on you, and the reinbursement rate for that procedure is $100...

How much will that hospital get paid if 100% of all customers paid their bill?

Answer $100

How much will that hospital get paid if 50% of the consumers paid their bill?

Answer $100...

The payable rate doesnt change based upon the reinbursement percentage the hospital manages to collect from.

The billed rate might change, but insurance companies DO NOT PAY BILLED RATES..
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