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Old 01-15-2014, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Odd... here in our district principals are not union members.
NYC has a union just for principals and other administrators.


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Old 01-15-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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And then there's the 5th grade prom. Were parents forced at gun point to pop $200 for the fake pomp?
9 years is a long, long time for parents and teachers to remain silent.
Teachers were scared to complain to the union because of retribution. And at least one parent said she complained all the way to the school board but no one listened to her.
The school was actually sued at one point because a 2nd grader was repeatedly hit and sexually assaulted and the principal refused to do anything.
There was plenty of warning that there were major problems at this school.
And from reading the articles, it looks like the prom was a requirement for graduating. So gunpoint, no, but forced if they wanted to move on to middle school.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Being in NY this story makes me very angry. She's earning 6 figures for doing practically nothing. She makes parents who are raising their kids on a small income pay for unnecessary things. She should be shown the door for good along with her fur coat and BMW. Plenty of good people out of work or underemployed that would do better given the opportunity, And it sucks how some workers who take slacking to an extreme keep their jobs for years in some places in city jobs.
Agreed. I think several need to lose their jobs over this, and then some. However, it is extremely rare for those involved in Unions, especially the school system, to be held accountable. I will be shocked if the people that need to be disciplined and fired actually receive their due.

It still cant get past how a principle of a poor, smaller school like this, can even get paid this much money. Who the hell comes up with these salaries?! And then on top of it, she doesnt even do her damn job. Living it up off the tax payer dime and obviously doesnt give one damn about what she was supposed to be doing.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Being in NY this story makes me very angry. She's earning 6 figures for doing practically nothing. She makes parents who are raising their kids on a small income pay for unnecessary things. She should be shown the door for good along with her fur coat and BMW. Plenty of good people out of work or underemployed that would do better given the opportunity, And it sucks how some workers who take slacking to an extreme keep their jobs for years in some places in city jobs.
Her story is repeated coast to coast. Urban public schools are merely a jobs program for mostly incompetent black professionals. In NYC they just leave them alone because if they go after them they'll get the NAACP to cry racist.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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Oddly enough, we keep hearing from some that we arent spending enough money on schools. We arent paying teachers and what not well enough. That isnt and hasnt been the problems with our stupid public education system. The problems are people like in this instance and with Unions. But sadly, the stupid sheep public will go along with the calls that we just arent spending enough.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Far Rockaway has always been a blighted area.
This principal lives in Long Island though so don't worry that she is living in blighted conditions.
She wears her fur coat and drives her BMW to school like the queen she thinks she is.

I read that 98% of the students are on FREE lunch..not even reduced but free lunch.
They are a Title 1 school that gets extra money to fight poverty.

And this woman, who doesn't show up for work, got overtime pay last year ?

You have to put some blame on the parents who complained among themselves but didn't go to higher ups.
She's been doing this for 9 years …..
This is just one of countless examples of why parents with young children like me don't trust the public school system to actually teach our children. In general, the teachers themselves are good people who enter their profession with the best of intentions. It's bureaucratic machine, selfish administrators and a complete lack of accountability at all levels that keeps our chronically underachieving public school system underachieving. It is that very system that bleeds the enthusiasm out of countless teachers, year after year. Every piece of the system needs to justify its existence. If you are not actually making a positive impact on the kids, then you're fired. Then it must be determined whether your position is even necessary.

Wanna make the US education system better? Flip the script and start giving the biggest paychecks to the best teachers -- ones that are either creating or maintaining the highest level of excellence in their chosen subject. Administrators, school boards, superintendents, United States Secretary of Education and other administrators are only useful insofar as they support the teachers at doing their jobs well. They're not the ones doing the job, so why are they making the big bucks?
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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How could she do this to the kids' education?
What if there are more school faculty that are as sinister and deranged or even worse than this poor excuse of a woman?
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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What about the white professionals are they incompetent too.
I'm sure there are a few out there but they aren't the intended recipients of the corruption. There are generally relatively few white teachers in urban districts or more accurately at schools that serve overwhelmingly poor Black students. The good teachers Black & White head for the exits. Who needs the hastle when you can get a job at a suburban district.

Maybe there is a similar corrupt setup in Appalachia I don't know but usually White parents don't put up with this nonsense. If she came to work driving a BMW with a fur coat at a White public school that was failing the phones would be ringing off the hook at the central office.
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Teachers were scared to complain to the union because of retribution. And at least one parent said she complained all the way to the school board but no one listened to her.
The school was actually sued at one point because a 2nd grader was repeatedly hit and sexually assaulted and the principal refused to do anything.
There was plenty of warning that there were major problems at this school.
And from reading the articles, it looks like the prom was a requirement for graduating. So gunpoint, no, but forced if they wanted to move on to middle school.
And all this went on in NYC, one of the biggest school districts there is in the US.

Plenty of warning yet no one in authority did anything other then turn a blind eye.
And this is not a one off edge case either.."isolated incident" as people might say.
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This is just one of countless examples of why parents with young children like me don't trust the public school system to actually teach our children. In general, the teachers themselves are good people who enter their profession with the best of intentions. It's bureaucratic machine, selfish administrators and a complete lack of accountability at all levels that keeps our chronically underachieving public school system underachieving. It is that very system that bleeds the enthusiasm out of countless teachers, year after year. Every piece of the system needs to justify its existence. If you are not actually making a positive impact on the kids, then you're fired. Then it must be determined whether your position is even necessary.

Wanna make the US education system better? Flip the script and start giving the biggest paychecks to the best teachers -- ones that are either creating or maintaining the highest level of excellence in their chosen subject. Administrators, school boards, superintendents, United States Secretary of Education and other administrators are only useful insofar as they support the teachers at doing their jobs well. They're not the ones doing the job, so why are they making the big bucks?
Teachers have to follow the rules set by the higher ups.
Schools are like little empires and principals can make or break any teacher, union or not, and get away with it.
Go against the rules and you'll never get another job in a school again.
This goes for non-union as well as union.
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