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Quibbling over the placebo used in the initial studies is a waste of time. There are now post-marketing data confirming the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine in actual use with millions of doses administered worldwide.
There are no deaths attributable to Gardasil.
These by the way even have a formal designation as Class V clinical trials. They are bar none the most reliable way of gaining data on mortality and morbidity correlations to pharmaceutical use.
Oh, so death is all that matters? As long as people don't DROP DEAD from it... it's all good. Did it ever occur to you that complications that lead to death take longer than a few years to actually manifest themselves?
This is not fear mongering. The shady actions by Merck during trials justify the skepticism. Didn't the FDA stop and say "Hey, you didn't really use a placebo"...since when did the definition change? Or, was there some money being slung around?
I guess bribes and kickbacks only happen in the oil industry.
It took 30 years before the FDA pulled Phen-Phen from the shelves.
Effexor and Zoloft are STILL being prescribed given the INSANE amount of evidence of adverse complications that are piling up against it.
Yaz is another.
My response was to your post about deaths.
"Fen Phen" was never approved for use by the FDA. It was two separate drugs used off label for weight loss.
Effexor and Zoloft are used to treat depression, a disease with a significant risk of death from suicide. I guess you are unaware of that fact.
Oh, so death is all that matters? As long as people don't DROP DEAD from it... it's all good. Did it ever occur to you that complications that lead to death take longer than a few years to actually manifest themselves?
This is not fear mongering. The shady actions by Merck during trials justify the skepticism. Didn't the FDA stop and say "Hey, you didn't really use a placebo"...since when did the definition change? Or, was there some money being slung around?
I guess bribes and kickbacks only happen in the oil industry.
It took 30 years before the FDA pulled Phen-Phen from the shelves.
Effexor and Zoloft are STILL being prescribed given the INSANE amount of evidence of adverse complications that are piling up against it.
Yaz is another.
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, often referred to as NSAIDS, are assumed to be well tolerated and are widely used as a therapy for common inflammation. Everyone is familiar with these types of drugs with millions using them for pain relief. They range from over the counter aspirin and ibuprofen to a whole host of prescription brands. These pharmaceuticals constitute one of the most widely used class of drugs in the world.
[LEFT]Common over the counter names include: ibuprofen (Advil®), naproxen (Aleve®), and aspirin (Bayer®). Perscription brands include: celecoxib (Celebrex®), diclofenac (Voltaren®), etodolac (Lodine®), fenoprefen (Nalfon®), indomethacin (Indocin®), ketoprofen (Orudis®, Oruvail®), ketoralac (Toradol®), oxaprozin (Daypro®), nabumetone (Relafen®), sulindac (Clinoril®), tolmetin (Tolectin®), and rofecoxib (Vioxx®).
The July 1998 issue of The American Journal of Medicine stated the following:
"Conservative calculations estimate that approximately 107,000 patients are hospitalized annually for nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)-related gastrointestinal (GI) complications and at least 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur each year among arthritis patients alone. The figures of all NSAID users would be overwhelming, yet the scope of this problem is generally under-appreciated.
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, often referred to as NSAIDS, are assumed to be well tolerated and are widely used as a therapy for common inflammation. Everyone is familiar with these types of drugs with millions using them for pain relief. They range from over the counter aspirin and ibuprofen to a whole host of prescription brands. These pharmaceuticals constitute one of the most widely used class of drugs in the world.
[LEFT]Common over the counter names include: ibuprofen (Advil®), naproxen (Aleve®), and aspirin (Bayer®). Perscription brands include: celecoxib (Celebrex®), diclofenac (Voltaren®), etodolac (Lodine®), fenoprefen (Nalfon®), indomethacin (Indocin®), ketoprofen (Orudis®, Oruvail®), ketoralac (Toradol®), oxaprozin (Daypro®), nabumetone (Relafen®), sulindac (Clinoril®), tolmetin (Tolectin®), and rofecoxib (Vioxx®).
The July 1998 issue of The American Journal of Medicine stated the following:
"Conservative calculations estimate that approximately 107,000 patients are hospitalized annually for nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)-related gastrointestinal (GI) complications and at least 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur each year among arthritis patients alone. The figures of all NSAID users would be overwhelming, yet the scope of this problem is generally under-appreciated.
All medications have side effects. We can't ban them all, only to rely on roots and berries. You takes your pills and you takes your chances.
I was never suggesting to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just as it is safe to assume most pro-vacs in this thread are not suggesting the polar opposite. But big pharma is an industry not unlike any other. Dollar is king.
“Dr. Harper explained in her presentation that the cervical cancer risk in the U.S. is already extremely low, and that vaccinations are unlikely to have any effect upon the rate of cervical cancer in the United States. In fact, 70% of all HPV infections resolve themselves without treatment in a year, and the number rises to well over 90% in two years. Harper also mentioned the safety angle. All trials of the vaccines were done on children aged 15 and above, despite them currently being marketed for 9-year-olds. So far, 15,037 girls have reported adverse side effects from Gardasil™ alone to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), and this number only reflects parents who underwent the hurdles required for reporting adverse reactions. At the time of writing, 44 girls are officially known to have died from these vaccines. The reported side effects include Guillian Barré Syndrome (paralysis lasting for years, or permanently — sometimes eventually causing suffocation), lupus, seizures, blood clots, and brain inflammation. Parents are usually not made aware of these risks. Dr. Harper, the vaccine developer, claimed that she was speaking out, so that she might finally be able to sleep at night. ’About eight in every ten women who have been sexually active will have HPV at some stage of their life,’ Harper says. ’Normally there are no symptoms, and in 98 per cent of cases it clears itself. But in those cases where it doesn’t, and isn’t treated, it can lead to pre-cancerous cells which may develop into cervical cancer.’” - See more at: Lead Developer Of HPV Vaccines Comes Clean, Warns Parents & Young Girls It
What percentage have a "bad" reaction? .001% 1% 10% ??
I would guesstimate in the US there are a few hundred million miles driven on the roads by a few million vehicles(probably many times both) .. SO having only about 30,000 deaths a year is pretty good odds.
Ever really listen to the prescription drug commercials on TV ?? Some of the(possible) side-effects are much worse than what you are taking it FOR.
You can DIE from drinking WATER, pure clean water.
You can have a deadly allergic reaction to something you have been in contact with your whole life.
I wonder if they name their site The Daily Sheeple for a reason?
FYI only a small number of HPV viruses are implicated in cervical cancer. HPV writes itself into your own DNA, unlike GMO corn...
“About eight in every ten women who have been sexually active will have H.P.V. at some stage of their life. Normally there are no symptoms, and in 98 per cent of cases it clears itself. But in those cases where it doesn’t, and isn’t treated, it can lead to pre-cancerous cells which may develop into cervical cancer.” - Dr. Diane Harper
One must understand how the establishment’s word games are played to truly understand the meaning of the above quote, and one needs to understand its unique version of “science”.
I'm glad we have so many non-scientists telling us scientists how to read.
Amid questions about the safety of the HPV vaccine Gardasil one of the lead researchers for the Merck drug is speaking out about its risks, benefits and aggressive marketing.
Dr. Diane Harper says young girls and their parents should receive more complete warnings before receiving the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer. Dr. Harper helped design and carry out the Phase II and Phase III safety and effectiveness studies to get Gardasil approved, and authored many of the published, scholarly papers about it. She has been a paid speaker and consultant to Merck. It's highly unusual for a researcher to publicly criticize a medicine or vaccine she helped get approved.
Dr. Harper joins a number of consumer watchdogs, vaccine safety advocates, and parents who question the vaccine's risk-versus-benefit profile. She says data available for Gardasil shows that it lasts five years; there is no data showing that it remains effective beyond five years.
This raises questions about the CDC's recommendation that the series of shots be given to girls as young as 11-years old. "If we vaccinate 11 year olds and the protection doesn't last... we've put them at harm from side effects, small but real, for no benefit," says Dr. Harper. "The benefit to public health is nothing, there is no reduction in cervical cancers, they are just postponed, unless the protection lasts for at least 15 years, and over 70% of all sexually active females of all ages are vaccinated." She also says that enough serious side effects have been reported after Gardasil use that the vaccine could prove riskier than the cervical cancer it purports to prevent. Cervical cancer is usually entirely curable when detected early through normal Pap screenings.
"Pap smears have never killed anyone. Pap smears are an effective screening tool to prevent cervical cancer. Pap smears alone prevent more cervical cancers than can the vaccines alone. Gardasil is associated with serious adverse events, including death. If Gardasil is given to 11 year olds, and the vaccine does not last at least fifteen years, then there is no benefit - and only risk - for the young girl. Vaccinating will not reduce the population incidence of cervical cancer if the woman continues to get Pap screening throughout her life.
If a woman is never going to get Pap screening, then a HPV vaccine could offer her a better chance of not developing cervical cancer, and this protection may be valued by the woman as worth the small but real risks of serious adverse events. On the other hand, the woman may not value the protection from Gardasil as being worth the risk knowing that 1) she is at low risk for a persistent HPV infection and 2) most precancers can be detected and treated successfully. It is entirely a personal value judgment."
I guess, my point here is... Just be an informed consumer before you give the doctor the go ahead for the vaccine series.
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RE: STD's thread -- HPV Vaccine update
