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Old 01-16-2014, 10:34 PM
 
Location: NJ
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/17/op...ml?ref=opinion

It is refreshing to see someone not afraid to talk of the true root causes, which are often self-inflicted wounds.

 
Old 01-16-2014, 10:36 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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If you have a primitive zero-sum mentality then you assume growing affluence for the rich must somehow be causing the immobility of the poor, but, in reality, the two sets of problems are different, and it does no good to lump them together and call them “inequality.”
This.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 05:18 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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If we’re going to mobilize a policy revolution, we should focus on the real concrete issues: bad schools, no jobs for young men, broken families, neighborhoods without mediating institutions.
No: THIS.

Blaming the victim and trying to rationalize away society's obligations is simply a petulant game practiced by those trying to dupe themselves into believing that their support for egoistic avarice is legitimate. The reality is that there are problems that society has to address, and as painful as it is for some to realized, there is no escaping that addressing those problems will indeed cost society money.

Making changes that foster full employment in living wage jobs is unequivocally the path to a better place for society. Raising the minimum wage doesn't do that. I'm surprised that right-wingers oppose increasing the minimum wage, since it's actually a lot cheaper than legitimately fostering full employment in living wage jobs.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 05:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No: THIS.
So when will Dems stop trapping kids in abysmally performing public schools?

The unions ruined the public school system. Implement vouchers. Make schools compete for students and for their existence.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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He's right..low wages isn't the problem here.
You cannot fix the "problem" until you can correctly identify it.

Start with your K-12 education and look there.
These are the kids that will one day be adults.

Handing people money, deserved or not, will not fix any problems because lack of money isn't the problem here…it's the outcome of letting your problems fester and grow.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by bUU View Post
No: THIS.

Blaming the victim and trying to rationalize away society's obligations is simply a petulant game practiced by those trying to dupe themselves into believing that their support for egoistic avarice is legitimate. The reality is that there are problems that society has to address, and as painful as it is for some to realized, there is no escaping that addressing those problems will indeed cost society money.

Making changes that foster full employment in living wage jobs is unequivocally the path to a better place for society. Raising the minimum wage doesn't do that. I'm surprised that right-wingers oppose increasing the minimum wage, since it's actually a lot cheaper than legitimately fostering full employment in living wage jobs.
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If we’re going to mobilize a policy revolution, we should focus on the real concrete issues: bad schools, no jobs for young men, broken families, neighborhoods without mediating institutions.
bUU, how is it that you can realize where the problems lie and yet still continue to defend those who create the problems while blaming the very people who have been pointing out the problems for years?

You want full employment in low wage jobs and/or higher wages? Stop supporting the idiots that are trying to regulate business out of existence.

You want better schools? Stop supporting the idiots who are trying to turn our children into mindless robots with programs like Common Core.

Want fewer broken families? Stop supporting the idiots who reward those who make multiple bad choices. Welfare is supposed to be assistance, not a lifestyle.

Every single one of these issues can be traced directly back to the party that you wholeheartedly support, endorse, and defend on these forums on a consistent basis. Yet you blame the right-wingers. Absolutely brilliant.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 06:25 AM
 
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No: THIS.

Blaming the victim and trying to rationalize away society's obligations is simply a petulant game practiced by those trying to dupe themselves into believing that their support for egoistic avarice is legitimate. The reality is that there are problems that society has to address, and as painful as it is for some to realized, there is no escaping that addressing those problems will indeed cost society money.

Making changes that foster full employment in living wage jobs is unequivocally the path to a better place for society. Raising the minimum wage doesn't do that. I'm surprised that right-wingers oppose increasing the minimum wage, since it's actually a lot cheaper than legitimately fostering full employment in living wage jobs.

"Making changes that foster full employment...."

Gee.............. those are all the things that liberals hate-

1. enforce immigration laws
2. dump Obamacare
3. cut corporate taxes
4. cut personal income taxes
5. allow energy exploration on federal lands
6. muzzle the EPA
7. muzzle the trial lawyers association
8. national right to work act
9. renegotiate/abandon NAFTA and China most favored nation trade policy
10. corporate consumption tax
11. encourage two parent families
12. stop the war on coal
13. emphasize education in the sciences/engineering, rather than the arts
 
Old 01-17-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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bUU, how is it that you can realize where the problems lie and yet still continue to defend those who create the problems while blaming the very people who have been pointing out the problems for years?

You want full employment in low wage jobs and/or higher wages? Stop supporting the idiots that are trying to regulate business out of existence.

You want better schools? Stop supporting the idiots who are trying to turn our children into mindless robots with programs like Common Core.

Want fewer broken families? Stop supporting the idiots who reward those who make multiple bad choices. Welfare is supposed to be assistance, not a lifestyle.

Every single one of these issues can be traced directly back to the party that you wholeheartedly support, endorse, and defend on these forums on a consistent basis. Yet you blame the right-wingers. Absolutely brilliant.
Thats what I cant figure out.. These people somehow think that if we do things like raise the minimum wage, then people will be better off, but what they fail to comprehend is that all these things do is push more businesses overseas, increases welfare and unemployment here, and eventually doubles the cost of things like food, rent etc, which means those working for minimum wage is in the same spot they were to begin with, while everyone else is worse because there are less jobs, higher taxes etc..
 
Old 01-17-2014, 06:49 AM
 
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Good column. Government is too focused out evening the results rather than addressing the causes. It makes them look like they're doing something when it's really just window dressing.
 
Old 01-17-2014, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Good column. Government is too focused out evening the results rather than addressing the causes. It makes them look like they're doing something when it's really just window dressing.
It's always just window dressing.

Look at education.
We spend the most on students among all countries..$15K per student.
Yet we are falling in global standing every time PISA scores come out.
And the comments about our decline is to "spend more money" in education.

Does government EVER address the problem ?
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