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Old 01-17-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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yes indeed, on all accounts...which I call soooooooooooo corrupt.
on all counts? you're saying public workers are "sooo corrupt" because they don't make as much money as the private sector?

that makes no sense.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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on all counts? you're saying public workers are "sooo corrupt" because they don't make as much money as the private sector?

that makes no sense.
no, I wasn't saying that....

not talking about public workers at all, I'm talking about corporate and government leaders

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but, depending on what level you're talking about, gov't workers can be fired easily for anything that has the appearance of impropriety. you are subject to petty politics and dumbass elected officials in a way that often doesn't apply to the private sector.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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you got it, right on, and this has nothing to do with republicans or democrates, what it has to do with is, incompetence or doing what your not supposed to be doing!

I remember years ago, during an election, someone stated, we are voting in bad people, and character means nothing any longer, and it surely came to fruition....

the sad thing is, young people do not know any different, they don't remember the days when the law was the law, no matter who you were, and the fact that character in leadership means everything!

This country has grown so corrupt, people are now beyond the law.
If you recall, when President Obama first took office in 2009 he attempted to appoint a host of people with tax problems and one he appointed anyway...and that's not even counting the self-avowed Communist. Then he flouts the law by refusing to enforce it. The President is a bad role model.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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Thanks to Democrats' progressive liberal policies, success is no longer about the most qualified person getting the job/reward, it's now defined as how well you can game the system.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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The best way to handle government contracts is to have a rolling one year contract.

That way, government can always have an option not to "renew" a contract of a government employee.

It's the safest, more legal way to handle how to downsize a government workforce.
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Old 01-17-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Thanks to Democrats' progressive liberal policies, success is no longer about the most qualified person getting the job/reward, it's now defined as how well you can game the system.
Sorry, but that's been true for at least 75 years. The whole government bureaucracy did not change with Obama's election. Most of the people there now were there when Obama arrived and will be there when he leaves...and they haven't changed their work habits.
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Old 01-21-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The Washington Way: Top officials rarely fired in times of scandal | Fox News

this article is so true, as I've seen this going on for years, and it isn't just happening in Washington...over the years, even corporate managers are asked to leave, but they are not fired and are given a sizable pay check to leave? Why? Why are people today rewarded for bad work ethics, or not doing their job to the expectations of the company? In this case, to the People's expectations, after all, we pay them don't we?

Clinton was not fired, and should have been, Hillary, should not be running at all....Reagan, after he was to blame for selling American weapons to who? But who was blammed, I mean, if you really dig, a whole lot of politicians do the same, the laws do not apply to them any longer, why?
In the case of Reagan there was never any definitive proof of his knowledge of Iran-Contra. Ollie North shredded a lot of his documents but missed one, known as North's 'diversion memo.' But there was a standard check box at the end to indicate POTUS approval/disapproval. It was blank, and there was no other evidence that the memo ever was seen by Reagan.
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Old 01-21-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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Its a fact that Liberals refuse to admit. Government and public employees are treated differently than private sector employees. Rarely ever do you see them fired. Rarely ever are they held accountable.
So true. Do you remember the wild-eyed screaming and spittle soaked sidewalks that happened when some public employees were going to lose some of their generous benefits and the left nearly collectively had a stroke over it, claming severe injustice and other such rot? That was one of the reasons Scott Walker was so hated.

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The question is, why are liberals okay with that? If you jerks are such proponents for the public/government sector, shouldnt you at least be huge advocates for accountability?!
Ummm... You fail to comprehend leftist ideology. In leftist ideology (more like theology) government people are infinitely wise and should never, EVER be subject to scrutiny or "retribution" from unhappy subjects. They are, by the left's behavior, considered to be a protected class not subject to any harsh realities of life.
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Old 01-21-2014, 04:29 PM
 
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because, without job security, working for the government would be extremely undesirable. compared to the private sector it is difficult to make money as a civil servant.
How so? Government workers are paid more, have better benefits, and if you're a Democrat, get to make heaps of money selling influence.
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Old 01-21-2014, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The Washington Way: Top officials rarely fired in times of scandal | Fox News

this article is so true, as I've seen this going on for years, and it isn't just happening in Washington...over the years, even corporate managers are asked to leave, but they are not fired and are given a sizable pay check to leave? Why? Why are people today rewarded for bad work ethics, or not doing their job to the expectations of the company? In this case, to the People's expectations, after all, we pay them don't we?

Clinton was not fired, and should have been, Hillary, should not be running at all....Reagan, after he was to blame for selling American weapons to who? But who was blammed, I mean, if you really dig, a whole lot of politicians do the same, the laws do not apply to them any longer, why?
Why are you looking back into the 20th century? We're in a completely different time now.
Expertise, even when applied to bad aims, is still expertise. That's why disgraced politicians join lobbyists when leaving Congress. Just because they were scandalous does not mean they weren't experts in governmental affairs.
Spiro Agnew was possibly the very most corrupt high official ever. He took graft before he became Vice President, and continued to accept graft money all of his time as V.P., and admitted it. As soon as he resigned, he became a very successful lobbyist for some major Saudi companies and died a happy millionaire. He was simply a salesman who knew the territory. Big money seldom concerns itself with morality.
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