Dear beautiful America, please, stop moving Forward. (enemy, conspiracy, program)

[MissTerri]

This was an excellent piece. The author makes his point very well. I used to buy into all of this "progressive" type of thinking. Now that I can see it for what it really is, it's frightening. People are literally being brainwashed with propaganda with buzz words like, "sustainability", "progress", "change", "resilience" etc. It has become hip with things like micro apartments, buying only local and in season fruit and vegetables, car free lifestyles, etc. I know so many who will talk openly how they want socialism and I just want to slap them so that they wake up from this dream; because it is a dream and one that will soon turn into a nightmare. This is Agenda 21 folks and people are welcoming it with open arms. Beware.

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

This is why we don't get anywhere. A poster responds to a post and exaggerates what was said taking it to the farthest extreme he can think of.

Did he say ANYTHING about ELIMINATING ANY program? Of course not but you don 't give a damn. Just keep going as we are.

The problem with EVERYONE of those programs is the SAME problem with EVERY gov't program, NO OVERSIGHT. Each and every gov't program is rife with waste, fraud and abuse.

Most gov't programs start with good intentions. Unfortunately they mushroom into tax dollar sucking viruses.

If anybody even mentions a program people like you scream your head off, "you hate he children, the poor, the (fill in the blank).

Heaven forbid we make the gov't MORE efficient so we CAN take care of those who truly are in need.

"This is what happen when you have unfettered social programs that create an entire class of people that want nothing to do but be the suckling pig their entire lives."

What do you take this statement to mean ? IMO it means the poster thinks an entire class of people are nothing more than pigs scamming the system, my default perception is this poster would eliminate all social programs leading people into a lifetime of sucking off entitlement programs.

PS, i'm not screaming,i have many children i love and i am poor.

[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by MissTerri

I know so many who will talk openly how they want socialism

I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this.

I've have never heard a single person say that we are better off under socialism or their desire for it-- and I'm a liberal with friends across the political spectrum.

If you think this is a frequent or common view, you're really not living in the real world, but in the Conservative echo chamber.

[DauntlessDan]

Reminds me of the short ditty I heard years ago. A little boy and his father are walking down the street of a city in the old USSR. The little boy asks his father "Papa, what will communism be like when it is perfected"? His father smiles and replies "You will have everything you that you need, you won't "want" for anything". To which his son asks, remembering the meat shortages "But Papa, what if there is no meat"? To which his father replies "Then you will see a sign in the butcher's window saying "You don't need meat today". Yes, the only place that communism/Marxism really exists besides Red China, Cuba and North Korea and a hand full of smaller obscure countries is American colleges and universities. Had I not worked at three of them in my life I might not believe it so strongly. All the time the USA was fighting a cold war with jet bombers and nuclear missiles, the communist pigs were "Trojan Horsing" us by taking control of the college and university campuses across the country. Was it V.I. Lenin that said "One cannot go right from capitalism to communism. There must be a stepping stone. Socialism is that stepping stone". OP, thank you for your article.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by gmagoo

True, but neither has pure unfettered capitalism.

Way to borrow words from someone who, when it was spoken, had no idea what he was talking about. And neither do you.

[Chimuelojones]

Originally Posted by MissTerri

This was an excellent piece. The author makes his point very well. I used to buy into all of this "progressive" type of thinking. Now that I can see it for what it really is, it's frightening. People are literally being brainwashed with propaganda with buzz words like, "sustainability", "progress", "change", "resilience" etc. It has become hip with things like micro apartments, buying only local and in season fruit and vegetables, car free lifestyles, etc. I know so many who will talk openly how they want socialism and I just want to slap them so that they wake up from this dream; because it is a dream and one that will soon turn into a nightmare. This is Agenda 21 folks and people are welcoming it with open arms. Beware.

So instead of allowing someone to live their life as they choose, you want to slap them? don't you think that allowing those with different ideas to live as they choose and choose not to live as they...instead of wanting to inflict physical injury?

[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by MissTerri

It has become hip with things like micro apartments, buying only local and in season fruit and vegetables, car free lifestyles, etc.

There is nothing remotely socialist about these things.

I am a big fan of people choosing car-free lifestyles... One less car on the road I have to contend with.

The definition of socialism isn't "Things I don't like."

[MissTerri]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this.

I've have never heard a single person say that we are better off under socialism or their desire for it-- and I'm a liberal with friends across the political spectrum.

If you think this is a frequent or common view, you're really not living in the real world, but in the Conservative echo chamber.

I have heard at least 5 liberal friends state that they are for socialism. Call BS all you want. I have no reason to make something as silly as this up. Most of my friends and family are liberal so saying that I live in a conservative echo chamber is also false. I actually don't have any republican friends. I have a couple of Libertarian friends. Most are Democrats and I one or two are Greens.

[MissTerri]

Originally Posted by mlassoff

There is nothing remotely socialist about these things.

I am a big fan of people choosing car-free lifestyles... One less car on the road I have to contend with.

The definition of socialism isn't "Things I don't like."

Did you read the article? A car free lifestyle is great if it is a choice that you choose for yourself. The problem is when it goes from choice to expected. With Agenda 21 afoot eventually there will no longer be choice and lowering people's standard of living in the name of "sustainability" is the end goal. It goes hand in hand with socialism.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by jambo101

You think the answer to Americas problems is to eliminate all social programs? every one for themselves?.heres a few we can eliminate as we wouldnt want to be seen helping out those suckling pigs..

From your list....

Head Start: Worthless.....by the time "students" are in the 4th/5th Grade it's as though they never went to the useless program in the first place. Your money would be better spent on Obamaphones.

Social Security Disability: Worthy program operated by all 50 States and Commonwealths....seized, collectivized and nationalized by Eisenhower during a power grab and destroyed in 1958. Converted into the stupid one-size-fits-all, eliminating temporary partial disability, total partial disability and temporary permanent disability, which allowed disabled to work, and which protected those disabled for only a short period of time.

Social Security Retirement and Survivors Benefits: Another worthy program operated by 35 States and Commonwealths....seized, collectivized and nationalized by FDR during a power grab in 1935. The "federal" government's one-size-fits-all mentality leaves many Americans in poverty. Worse than that, the "federal" government forces a minimum wage earner to pay $96/month in FICA taxes for $763 in benefits when that minimum wage worker could be paying $21/month to get a benefit of $1,660/month.

Supplemental Security Income (SSI): Another useless program that creates more "poverty than it cures.

Medicaid: Another idiotic one-size-fits-all program the "federal" government uses to violate the Constitution and oppress States. A perfect example of "federal" government band-approaches to problems it creates.

Medicare: A band-aid approach written by the American Hospital Association designed to "help" the Millions of Americans who were disenfranchised by stupid "federal" government policies influenced by a Special Interest Group: the American Hospital Association.

Welfare (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or T.A.N.F.): Another band-aid fix to problems created by the "federal" government.

G.I. Bill: a contractual obligation provided to those who surrender their rights and freedoms under the first 8 Amendments to the Constitution to work in a job that often pays less than minimum wage, does not pay over-time and gives one the opportunity to leave blood samples and body parts in various foreign States, plus you get shot at and rocketed, which is better than Disneyland.

Veterans' benefits: additional contractual obligations.

Pell Grants: an unnecessary program that is poorly executed. To the extent that it might be necessary and executed correctly, it should be available to only those students who score 2100 or higher on the SAT, have financial need, and are attending an out-of-State university.

Unemployment Insurance: Another poorly executed program. Employees would benefit more and pay less seeking and paying for their own insurance coverage.

Food Stamps: a poorly executed unnecessary "federal" program that creates more "poverty" than it cures. Can be operated more effectively and efficiently at the State or Commonwealth level.

Government Subsidized Housing: an horrid program that is unnecessary at the "federal" level. Results in some single Americans with no dependents being denied subsidized housing with an income of $9,101 while other single Americans with no dependents earning $26.75/hour and an annual income of $53,490 get subsidized housing.

Home Mortgage Interest Deduction: a stupid regulation cleverly designed to offset the fact that the "federal" artificially inflates housing prices through its poor policies.

Hope and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits: If it's anything like Hope & Change it's useless.

Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit: a regulation cleverly designed to cover up the fact that the "federal" government creates more problems than it solves.

529 accounts (qualified tuition programs) or Coverdell education savings account (Education I.R.A.'s): another program cleverly designed to hide the fact that "federal" government policies artificially inflate the cost of education.

Earned-income tax credit: a bribe to get votes from the stupid poor.

Employer subsidized health insurance: a contractual obligation as agreed between employer and employee

Employer subsidized retirement benefits: another contractual obligation as agreed between employer and employee

Federal student loans: an incredibly bad "federal" government policy that creates Interest Inflation driving up the cost of education

Maybe one day you'll discover the 8th, 9th and 10th Amendments, and then learn how to discern contracts.

Eliminating...

Mircea