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Break it down for us. Explain why raising the minimum wage to $50/hr is a bad thing, and then explain why that same reasoning wouldn't also apply to raising it to any other figure. I'll be watching for emotional pleas as well as any "need" based arguments, so don't bother with them. Neither of those are sufficient justification for setting a minimum wage.
The rate of productivity in this country has increased, yet the minimum wage hasn't. You can argue against minimum wage all you want, but that is a fact.
Does your minimum wage worker live with you? Sounds like you are getting the benefit of hiring a family member that doesn't have to pay for the things you are paying for
If you're not going to bother reading the post, then you really shouldn't respond to it.
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Those in your industry that wouldn't work for minimum wage aren't effected by what minimum wage is set at. They will still make the amount they would have made before an increase.
"Making the same" and "not affected" are independent concepts. They might make the same (or they might not - upward pressure on non-MW positions has been covered extensively in this thread), but they're effectively making less, and they're CERTAINLY affected when the dollars they're paid with are worth less than they used to be.
Productivity has increased because of automation. That thing with the keyboard that you're sitting behind right now has done more to increase productivity (and reduce workload) than any other invention in history.
Yes, people are more productive, but it's not because they're working any harder, longer or better. To claim otherwise is dishonest.
what's funny is guys like Bill O'Reilly think minimum wage should be raised.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of that statement, but it wouldn't surprise me. O'Reilly is a big-central-government guy. He's a social conservative, but that's pretty much where his conservatism ends. I actually find it very amusing that he's such a big target for the left - they're much more in line with his ideals than they would ever allow themselves to see. He's the target that he is because he has the most popular cable news show, and it's on that evil Fox network.
Leftist O'Reilly haters are such obvious idiots, being led around by the nose by their trainers in the media and politics. It's quite funny to see them get all worked up about him.
Between 2009 and 2012, the incomes of the top 1 percent of earnersgrew by more than 31 percent, according to Emmanuel Saez, an economist at the University of California at Berkeley, while the incomes of the bottom 99 percent expanded by just 0.4 percent.
That line is amazing...
Let's see here. We have a UC Berkeley professor authoring a study that employs the bogus 1% vs. 99% paradigm in only the fourth sentence of the study.
Forgive me for not wasting my time scrutinizing his methodology.
Productivity has increased because of automation. That thing with the keyboard that you're sitting behind right now has done more to increase productivity (and reduce workload) than any other invention in history.
Yes, people are more productive, but it's not because they're working any harder, longer or better. To claim otherwise is dishonest.
You assume productivity only comes from working harder, longer, or better. Basically you are saying the only people who are benefiting from productivity are the people at the top who are not working harder, longer, or better, but just relying on technology to make them more money while the employees see stagnant wages.
Yes, one can be. It's not generally a very sound business philosophy, though.
Most of the fiscal liberals I've come across have been liberal with money because it wasn't their money that they were spending.
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Running a business isn't always about politics.
Who said that it was?
It seems that you can't separate the terms "liberal" and "conservative" from politics. That's too bad. There's probably a lot of information that you're simply not correctly understanding because of that.
Yes, one can be. It's not generally a very sound business philosophy, though.
Most of the fiscal liberals I've come across have been liberal with money because it wasn't their money that they were spending.
Who said that it was?
It seems that you can't separate the terms "liberal" and "conservative" from politics. That's too bad. There's probably a lot of information that you're simply not correctly understanding because of that.
Then it seems I misread your post and use of terms.
Why the hell do we have to fight elected officials AND our own countrymen because they are blinded by this neocon mindset where the rich deserve to get disgustingly wealthy while the people who drive the economy get the shaft without any vaseline or a kiss goodnight.
Your incorrect, extreme and graphic characterization of those you're debating not withstanding, have you considered the possibility that if that many people disagree with you, you might actually not be on the right side of the issue?
Yes it is.. and it should be. You ever been to a Steel Mill?
Damn shame people wanted to make a decent living while building this country up.
It's telling, although not surprising, that you completely avoided the point of my post.
It must be awful dark with your head buried in the sand like that. Can you breathe ok?
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