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Old 01-21-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What exactly do you think it costs for Michelle Obama to stay with Oprah on Maui? Are you under the impression that they hire new secret service agents specifically for vacations or something? This is ridiculous.
The secret service protects the first family.

Did it bother you when Laura Bush and/ or their daughters travelled and were protected by the secret service?

Does it bother you that the secret service continues to protect former first fams at home and when they travel?
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Pa
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No, you are wrong.

Comparing the looks of a female human to a male human is one thing.

Comparing the looks of a female human to an animal is quite another.
LOL depends who you ask I am sure. Both comparisons were meant to be derogatory. I love how some try to minimize in order to justify. But turn all butt hurt when it's their person targeted.

You look like a fat toad. Very bad
You look like a guy who has warts all over his body. Not so bad
Sure one is no insult and the other is. LOL
The intent is exactly the same. It is intended to insult.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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My real issue is the assumption by politicians that they got it like that and can use government employees and assets for personal or private uses. We wouldn't , or at least shouldn't tolerate a local mayor behaving that way. Why would we or should we tolerate any other elected official doing those things?
This post seems dilusional.

The real issue is the fact that it was the Obamas who threw the party.

Who are you trying to kid?
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Pa
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The secret service protects the first family.

Did it bother you when Laura Bush and/ or their daughters travelled and were protected by the secret service?

Does it bother you that the secret service continues to protect former first fams at home and when they travel?
It did and does. If they opt for separate vacations they should opt to pay the bill.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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True, but are they being used for private functions or state functions?
It doesn't matter. The costs are the same regardless of whether they are used for state functions, private functions, or not at all.

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If for private then their use should be paid for privately. At least the additional agents should be.
1) There is no such thing as "additional agents."

2) The mission of the secret service is to provide security to the President, his family, and certain other members of our government. They are never "private persons" regardless of what they doing at any particular moment. Obama is just as much The President when he is attending his wife's birthday party as he is when he is attending the G-10 conference.

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Military personnel are also salaried. Should politicians be allowed to use them for private security?
Politicians have no choice regarding who they use for their security and who they do not. The roles and responsibility of the Secret Service... hell, even their existence... are determined by Congress and established as law.

When the President is concerned, there is no such thing as "private security." I will now decline to chase the rest of your silly red herring.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I honestly and completely don't care what you believe. I am sick of politicians squandering tax dollars on things that absolutely do not benefit we the people. I am sick of the excuse that it is only a drop in the bucket. Our elected reps are not royalty nor is the United States a monarchy.
If Obama's want to throw a grand party then go for it, but foot the bill themselves. They are after all millionaires. I wonder how lavish the party would be if they did have to foot the bill like everyone else. How many vacations would they take if if they had to pay the entire bill like everyone else?
It's not only the Obama's it is any politician that believes that tax dollars= their dollars.
It's government agencies throwing themselves parties paid for by we the people. Yes it is only drops in the bucket, but the mind set extends to other things and it is exactly why we are 17 trillion in debt.

Finally if it is no big deal why did the white house impose secrecy rules? Why hide it?
Your assumption that tax dollars paid for the party is the root cause of your outrage.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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We don't know this to be fact.
Of course we do.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Hold him accountable for a birthday party?
We know he is not accountable for anything because he is not responsible for anything, we just want to press our collective noses against the steamed up window and look inside to see how the 1% live.

Otherwise we will begin to believe Obama is embarassed to show how he lives in a country where the wealth needs to be redistributed, the minimum wage raised and his promise of skyrocketing energy prices leave very little hard earned money to purchase a bronze obamacare plan. Obama does not want to give us the wrong idea that some are more equal than others under his new world order.

Oops! Maybe he doesn't want us the know about the present he gave MO. Heard it was a set of American History books. MO so wanted us to re-write our history, BO commissioned a re-write to dovetail with their perspective and to begin teaching the NEW Socialist version American hsitory to school kids.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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In which case why the secrecy? Hey if they did no harm no foul. But there is more to a party than just the food.
Your link did not specify who paid for the extras at the party. Additional security, party favors, entertainment etc.
The entertainers waived their customary fees.
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Old 01-21-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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And have the Secret Service guard his useless body in perpetuity because they think they are entitled.
They are entitled. Congress has said so.
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