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The true traitors of that era were LBJ, McNamara, and Nixon who all betrayed the public trust and involved us in a bloody, costly, completely unnecessary war of choice that did nothing to benefit the country and continues to cost us to this day. Screw the feigned outrage over Fonda, put the blame where it belongs.
You forgot to mention JFK he is the one who started the ball rolling. The shame of it is that Ho Chi Minh first approached the United States for help. He had no desire to be in debt to the USSR or China. We turned him down.
Guess again. Beside various deferments and well placed Daddies finding their sons positions somewhere in the home-based guard there was a friggin' lottery, many young men had there lives altered, far too many irreparably, by the same means a spot for a marker on a Bingo card is determined.
Way subsequent to the end of that war, I have known some men who avoided the draft by disclosing they were homosexual and did so upon the advice of a family attorney. These men were not gay.
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You forgot to mention JFK he is the one who started the ball rolling. The shame of it is that Ho Chi Minh first approached the United States for help. He had no desire to be in debt to the USSR or China. We turned him down.
Let's not change history, Eisenhower sent advisors to S Vietnam before JFK, it was LBJ who sent the first combat troops.
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Way subsequent to the end of that war, I have known some men who avoided the draft by disclosing they were homosexual and did so upon the advice of a family attorney. These men were not gay.
Ted Nugent comes to mind.............................................. ......
Let's not change history, Eisenhower sent advisors to S Vietnam before JFK, it was LBJ who sent the first combat troops.
Amazing that people still hold such contempt for Fonda when they couldn't name a cabinet member or secretary of defense that was responsible and know little about the history of the Vietnam war.
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Amazing that people still hold such contempt for Fonda when they couldn't name a cabinet member or secretary of defense that was responsible and know little about the history of the Vietnam war.
What really gets my blood boiling is I attempted to read McNamara's memoir, hoping after all these years something about Vietnam might make sense. Not far into the book he basically says we knew little about Vietnam but went anyway, I stopped reading at that point. I can only hope there's a special circle of hell for him and his ilk.
What really gets my blood boiling is I attempted to read McNamara's memoir, hoping after all these years something about Vietnam might make sense. Not far into the book he basically says we knew little about Vietnam but went anyway, I stopped reading at that point. I can only hope there's a special circle of hell for him and his ilk.
I read through the entire book but it was difficult, very arrogant bunch and hard to believe the decisions they made, even considered nuclear attack at one point. You should read his seven recommendations before we ever get involved in future wars, spot on but here we are again. Maybe someone can find them on the internet.
Hanoi Jane Fonda has been named by First Lady Michelle Obama as a role model. This will certainly upset military veterans from the Vietnam War as Hanoi Jane went to sympathize with the enemy and took part in a propaganda campaign against the United States for the North Vietnamese. While there, she even had the audacity to sit on a anti-aircraft gun that shot at American pilots and take a pictures with its operators. Is this a slap in the face to the brave veterans of that war who fought against communism? I say yes.
In the January 27 issue of People Magazine, First Lady Michelle Obama cites Jane Fonda as a role model. "[And] there's Jane Fonda, a beautiful, engaged, politically savvy, sharp woman," Michelle Obama responded after being asked by People who she would someday want to look and live like.
For the last fifty years, Fonda has been one of the most divisive political and cultural figures in America. Fonda earned the nickname "Hanoi Jane" after photos were released of the actress laughing it up with our enemies in North Vietnam while sitting on an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down American flyers.
While the war was still raging, Fonda attacked the American government and our troops in propaganda radio broadcasts for the North Vietnamese.
Among America's veterans, "Hanoi Jane" remains one of the most reviled figures in American history. Still, America's First Lady considers Fonda a role model
Figures-
I wonder if Michelle will pose at a NVA anti-aircraft gun to show how "proud" she is of America?
Is there a statute of limitations on faux outrage?
Were you in Viet Nam at the time Fonda did this?
If so, you know that it is not "faux" outrage, it is very real as she did this while Americans were dying.
If not, you have no basis for making such a bigoted statement.
Make your choice, either a fool or a liar.
Viet Nam vet 1970 to 1972
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