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Old 01-24-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It didn't jump off the tracks at all. Why do you think that Spanish is being pushed in our schools now? Why do you think we have so many mono-lingual Spanish speaking kids in our schools now thus courses being taught in Spanish first and English second which is the title of this topic?
Uh...maybe because being fluent in two languages is a good thing and kids pick up fluency better when they are young?

It is a voluntary program - nothing is being "pushed".

Since it is voluntary, why don't you define "pushed in our schools".

Is the simple offering of instruction for a language "pushing"?

In that case, all schools that have German and French instruction are pushing those languages.

Are you outraged about that?
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Language immersion isn't a bad deal at all. Now I don't know what motivated the school or what criteria was used to select Spanish so I pass no judgment in that regard.
If it were to pander then it still has benefits regardless of the intent. Bi-lingual is always a plus.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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That's what some don't get. I resent paying for illegals and I am constantly doing so. I live in Illinois and we support many illegals with welfare. Meanwhile our childless citizens don't get welfare at all or very little even though some need it.


Like I said before I like the idea of kids learning languages, and see nothing wrong with that. What I do see wrong is where public schools are requiring all students to have bilingual classes because of the kids who don't speak English. That to me is different than a school where it's decided to teach kids languages early.
Where is this done?

In the example given, the program is voluntary.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Learning a foreign language should be a choice not because we should pander to those who are here illegally and/or those who refuse to assimilate to English. I disagree, anything one learns stimulates the brain but one should choose to learn something that will be useful to them in their careers. Right, thanks for pointing it out that native English speakers are being discriminated against in hiring practices to placate the group above and you're ok with that?
If learning a foreign language should be a choice, why not let students decide if they would like to learn math or science? After all, we shouldn't force them to pander to ANYONE. G-d forbid students actually learn something useful that has a positive impact on their performance in other subjects!
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Uh...maybe because being fluent in two languages is a good thing and kids pick up fluency better when they are young?

It is a voluntary program - nothing is being "pushed".

Since it is voluntary, why don't you define "pushed in our schools".

Is the simple offering of instruction for a language "pushing"?

In that case, all schools that have German and French instruction are being pushed in our schools.

Are you outraged about that?
Stop it, Harrier. You CANNOT agree with me. The world will stop turning on its axis.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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LOL.

Nice try.

You have no objection whatsoever when someone mentions German immersion schools, or French.

It's just the Spanish that has you frothing at the mouth. Really, it's quite obvious, and I wish you hadn't injected it into this education thread. You're making me agree with Harrier, and that's just criminal.
Actually I do object. However, how many German, French immersion schools are there compared to Spanish immersion ones? It doesn't even begin to compare. How many jobs are demanding that you be able to speak German or French compared to those jobs demanding Spanish nowadays? I rest my case, you lose.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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If it's voluntary, then no problem. There are immersion programs in French, German, and Japanese that I'm aware of. I knew a lot of people who did french immersion program.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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Where is this done?

In the example given, the program is voluntary.
There are some schools where bilingual is pushed because of the students. I know there are schools in Chicago where there are large bilingual programs because many students don't speak English. Public schools, btw. Now if it's a private school not my problem.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Actually I do object. However, how many German, French immersion schools are there compared to Spanish immersion ones? It doesn't even begin to compare.
The German and French immersion schools exist in areas where such language skills would be valuable, such as in Wisconsin and Louisiana, respectively.
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How many jobs are demanding that you be able to speak German or French compared to those jobs demanding Spanish nowadays?
Spanish is a widely useful language in which to have fluency.

It is spoken by more people in more places in the republic then any other language besides English.

Employers who seek bilingual candidates do so because they feel that a bilingual person will be valuable to their business.

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I rest my case, you lose.
You need to make a case before you can rest one.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If this programs works, that is a great idea. I wish I had been in a program like that in school as I would love to be bilingual now. Unfortunately what we had was an impatient and often angry French man teaching us in such an uninspiring way that many of us were not motivated to learn French--only to be finished with his class.

Does Dual-Language Immersion Work?
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