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Old 01-24-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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The Governor of Utah Republican Gary Herbert apparently taking a page from Governor Brewer in Arizona is moving towards Medicaid expansion. He will get support from enough Republicans along with Democrats to push the expansion through. If you have been following the ACA through the mountain west in states like Arizona, Montana, Utah, and Idaho opposition to the ACA and Medicaid expansion isnt all that strong. Montana will possibly have an initiative and the legislature in Idaho will reconsider it.

With Utah on board, a majority of states now back Medicaid expansion

Medicaid expected to dominate Health & Welfare listening session Friday » Idaho Statesman Blogs
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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There isn't much support for expanding the welfare state and taking more money from working taxpayers to fund it here in Idaho. I expect it's DOA and the legislator calling the meeting is trying to score some quick points from low information voters.

There is a call to withdraw state support for the Obamacare exchange program, given the bloody cluster that's turned out to be.
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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It is just a matter of time before all states do.
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:20 PM
 
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It is just a matter of time before all states do.
Under what premise do you make this statement?
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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There isn't much support for expanding the welfare state and taking more money from working taxpayers to fund it here in Idaho. I expect it's DOA and the legislator calling the meeting is trying to score some quick points from low information voters.

There is a call to withdraw state support for the Obamacare exchange program, given the bloody cluster that's turned out to be.
Indigents have to be medically treated by law.
That means the counties, and ultimately the state bears this economic burden. The Medicaid expansion helps pay for this specific and fast-growing burden. Idaho, or any other state, can opt out, but to do so means more taxes for all of Idahoans sooner or later. Since we don't have many people in Idaho, that means we each will have to pay far more than a state like Texas, which has a high population would.

Utah just saw the advantages of getting the fed's allotted share. Idaho has one, but if it isn't taken, it will be removed and spread to the states who have joined. More benefit and lower taxes for them, no benefit and higher taxes for us.

It's that simple. Idaho cannot be a medical deadbeat and refuse to pay the medical costs. There will be tax increases if Otter does not sign us up. The higher taxes will be charged by both the county and the state.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:42 PM
 
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There isn't much support for expanding the welfare state and taking more money from working taxpayers to fund it here in Idaho. I expect it's DOA and the legislator calling the meeting is trying to score some quick points from low information voters.

There is a call to withdraw state support for the Obamacare exchange program, given the bloody cluster that's turned out to be.
Not sure why Idaho wouldnt want more Federal money in a redistribution of taxes from better off states to Idaho. Apparently Federal jobs, food stamps, EIC, Snap, Meals on Wheels, SS, Medicare, Tricare, VA, crop subsidies, highways, etc are ok but welfare with possible state involvement is bad. What the heck does Idaho want everything free. Idaho and Mississippi will go down as the biggest Federal freeloaders in the country. I guess Utah looked past all the Tea Party garbage...its hard to believe these guys anyways since most are retired and rely on the government.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Utahns were smart enough to know that throwing their people under the bus to stick it to Obama was not in their best interest.

Not everyone is ideological and incapable of seeing a good thing.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Indigents have to be medically treated by law.
That means the counties, and ultimately the state bears this economic burden. The Medicaid expansion helps pay for this specific and fast-growing burden. Idaho, or any other state, can opt out, but to do so means more taxes for all of Idahoans sooner or later. Since we don't have many people in Idaho, that means we each will have to pay far more than a state like Texas, which has a high population would.

Utah just saw the advantages of getting the fed's allotted share. Idaho has one, but if it isn't taken, it will be removed and spread to the states who have joined. More benefit and lower taxes for them, no benefit and higher taxes for us.

It's that simple. Idaho cannot be a medical deadbeat and refuse to pay the medical costs. There will be tax increases if Otter does not sign us up. The higher taxes will be charged by both the county and the state.
Idaho has a Medicaid program, nothing is eliminating that. The play the Obama administration is trying to force on the states is an expansion of the existing plan, by raising rather dramatically the income levels that would qualify for this handout. To say the federal taxpayer's are paying for is is a bit of a stretch of the truth. There is money from federal taxpayers available to pay part of the increase, but the state is on the hook for the balance. Even worse, there is no guarantee that the federal dollars will continue, and that the state will not be on the hook for the entire expansion in this welfare program.

The real question...Obamacare (aka the affordable care act) is supposed to require that all people have health insurance, and provide welfare payments to help lower income people pay for it. If Obamacare even remotely successful and effective, why do we need to expand Medicaid? If Obamacare actually works, why don't we reduce Medicaid, with the plan to eliminate it?
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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Not sure why Idaho wouldnt want more Federal money in a redistribution of taxes from better off states to Idaho. Apparently Federal jobs, food stamps, EIC, Snap, Meals on Wheels, SS, Medicare, Tricare, VA, crop subsidies, highways, etc are ok but welfare with possible state involvement is bad. What the heck does Idaho want everything free. Idaho and Mississippi will go down as the biggest Federal freeloaders in the country. I guess Utah looked past all the Tea Party garbage...its hard to believe these guys anyways since most are retired and rely on the government.
Lets see...refusing federal tax money makes Idaho a "federal freeloader"? OK fine. I can only conclude that you are one of those "low information voters" I hear so much about.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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Under what premise do you make this statement?
Because Americans are increasingly aware of the human rights violation of keeping the poor from having access to doctors.

And the strained medical systems that we have with hospitals getting stiffed because of patients inability to pay.
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