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Old 01-26-2014, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Sen. Ernie Chambers of Omaha once filed a lawsuit against God.

Read more: Sen. Ernie Chambers wants religious organizations to lose tax-exempt status - UPI.com
I suppose if a group is pushing man-made global warming then he is okay with their tax exempt status eh?
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It's about time! The burden doesn't need to fall on taxpayers to subsidize churches. If you know you can't afford what's going up don't build it. Worship at home or amongst friends minus the multimillion dollar price tag. If the congregation wants it bad enough they can pay.

What really erks me about how it is now is churches and cemetaries can take up valuable land with no income coming out and how churches can legislate hate through picketing, campaigning, etc and this money is UN taxed.
How are taxpayer 'subsiding' churches? Most cemeteries were build outside the city limits, and then the city expanded and grew out around them... Never mind, your entire post is ignorant.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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No, no you really haven't covered my point, not in the slightest. All of the organizations you mentioned are organized under statutory rules that outline their tax exempt status. Again, this has everything to do with STATUTES and regulations very little to do with the 1st amendment and the courts.

To make this painstakingly clear do you know why religious organizations are called 501c(3)s and not 1st amendments...because that is the STATUTE that governs tax exempt status.

That churches are restricted in what they can do and those restrictions are officially noted in law is not being argued. They are tax exempt in their religious activities even without it though. Churches have always been tax exempt even before there were any I.R.S. designations. There is no big deal in noting that churches funding a certain candidate would run afoul of the reasons they are not taxed.

The IRS was created in 1953. How is it that churches were tax exempt before that? The IRS doesn't have anything at all to do with things like property taxes and yet the church has always been exempt.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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How are taxpayer 'subsiding' churches? Most cemeteries were build outside the city limits, and then the city expanded and grew out around them... Never mind, your entire post is ignorant.
Perhaps he wants them plowed under and replaced with a Wal Mart so that they will have "value"?

Never mind that the burial industry is very profitable and taxed.
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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Since religious groups are now openly political and endorsing candidates, why should they be tax exempt?
They are no more endorsing candidates than any other non profit with a political agenda which again is most of them.
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Old 01-26-2014, 06:00 PM
 
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Which is why they shouldn't get classified as not for profit charities and shouldn't get tax exempt status.
Justify why you would tax churches and not an organization like the NAACP.
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:09 PM
 
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And as of yet you haven't made a single argument. Your only participation has been lame personal attacks. I would hope the mods see through the attempt to get a thread closed that a participant isn't thrilled over the way it's went.
Well, I've shown that you are incorrect in your understanding of the constitution. I have also shown that the case you brought up doesn't set any precedent relating to the taxation of churches.

I'm not really trying to make a case here. I am content showing others and yourself that you have no case. This I accomplished.

Let's be honest... you're the one who throws around personal attacks here. Now you're trying to call out others for it? Your hypocrisy is quite evident:

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Think4Yourself steals money from the Girl Scouts.
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:10 PM
 
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Well atheists are non-prophet
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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I'm going to guess that you are "pretty sure" about that?

If they tax a church all the time it shouldn't be difficult to provide examples. They can tax individuals who buy things from a church. The most recent case I can recall, (I'll have to try and find it if need be) concerned a church selling a magazine. The state was going to make it tax exempt. That is you didn't have to pay a sales tax on it unlike other mags.

The courts ruled against this idea. I have no problem with this ruling as it's the individual being taxed and not the church and this can be reasonably argued because of that the state was giving the church an unfair advantage.
Provide the case(s) in which you're citing.
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:16 PM
 
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That would make perfect sense. The actual charity part of it would get get tax free status while the non-charity part of it wouldn't.
In many regions, non-profits are not taxed whether they are a charity or not. The law would have to apply to all non-profits and cannot be selective about certain kinds of organizations.
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