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Old 01-27-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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You can't improve the conditions of people from say North Korea from the outside. Send them a billion dollars and it gets spent on their military.
Sure, and that's why I said it doesn't work in all situations. It depends on the leader, government, etc. Some are in it to gather their own wealth and power and thus aid doesn't achieve anything. Some will allow aid up to the point that it creates a security risk by making the people better off. All indications show the Kim family is the former.
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Old 01-27-2014, 05:38 AM
 
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Sure, and that's why I said it doesn't work ok all situations. It depends on the leader, government, etc. Some are in it to gather their own wealth and power and thus aid doesn't achieve anything. Some will allow aid up to the point that it creates a security risk by making the people better off. All indications show the Kim family is the former.
you make it sound like there is a government worthy of the money taken from our workers, which one might that be?
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Old 01-27-2014, 05:52 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Handing taxpayer cash to a foreign government gets us nothing but a position of a list of governments that give foreign aid.

The premise of 'currying favor' requires the sentence be completed to include the government or its people as they are mutually exclusive in most situations.

Some countries will pretend the money came from who ever is in power.

Some will be like welfare cheats and just give lip service to take advanatge of a endless flow of cash.

Foreign aid has been a code word for bribe in other countries with no money going to humanitarian or altruistic causes.

The crime is our government broadcasts cash instead of preparing the soil and planting seeds where they will most likely grow.

So foreign aid in the hands of a responsible government is fine but our government has demonstrated legacy incompetence and no sign it will ever improve.
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Old 01-27-2014, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes there is some corruption but it's not that significant.

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The problem today is much smaller. Small-scale
corruption, like a government official who puts in for phony travel expenses, is
an inefficiency that amounts to a tax on aid. We should try to reduce it, but we
can't eliminate it, any more than we can eliminate waste from every government
program—or from every business, for that matter. Suppose small-scale corruption
amounts to a 2% tax on the cost of saving a life. We should try to cut that. But
if we can't, should we stop trying to save those lives?


We've heard plenty of people calling to shut down
aid programs if one dollar of corruption is found. But four of the past seven
governors of Illinois went to prison for corruption, and no one is demanding
that Illinois's schools be shut down or its highways closed.
Article from WSJ

Bill and Melinda Gates on Three Myths on the World's Poor - WSJ.com


From the Gates foundation

2014 Gates Annual Letter: Myths About Foreign Aid - Gates Foundation
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It worked for Israel. They received tons in foreign aid and reparations and are one of the most advanced economies today.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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It worked for Israel. They received tons in foreign aid and reparations and are one of the most advanced economies today.
Yes Israel has more representation in congress than the american worker, (without whose money they may not even exist)
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Aid, as in straight welfare and/or charity, works only to the degree the government of the destination people allow it to. For example, most of the sub-Saharan African nations turn all forms of aid into AK-47s, 7.62mm ammunition, RPG launchers and rounds, and the Toyota light duty pickups that are ubiquitous African assault vehicles. Thus, "aid" to those nations might sound like helping starving/sick children, but it's really spending charity money to arm a warlord better than another warlord.

Foreign direct investment (FDI) always has and always will work better to help a local populace than aid ever could. This is a function of both "teaching a man to fish" and that any nation a business finds attractive for plopping down investment coin probably has a government willing to recognize and protect property rights, which is the absolutely necessary foundation for any living standard to be raised. In such nations, if we augment FDI with aid/charity, it typically pays good dividends.

But the rule is this - if an American business won't build there, we shouldn't send aid there.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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Aid, as in straight welfare and/or charity, works only to the degree the government of the destination people allow it to. For example, most of the sub-Saharan African nations turn all forms of aid into AK-47s, 7.62mm ammunition, RPG launchers and rounds, and the Toyota light duty pickups that are ubiquitous African assault vehicles. Thus, "aid" to those nations might sound like helping starving/sick children, but it's really spending charity money to arm a warlord better than another warlord.

Foreign direct investment (FDI) always has and always will work better to help a local populace than aid ever could. This is a function of both "teaching a man to fish" and that any nation a business finds attractive for plopping down investment coin probably has a government willing to recognize and protect property rights, which is the absolutely necessary foundation for any living standard to be raised. In such nations, if we augment FDI with aid/charity, it typically pays good dividends.

But the rule is this - if an American business won't build there, we shouldn't send aid there.
That's a complete exaggeration, most goes to health care issues. Eradication of Malaria, Vaccines, nutrition and raising living standards in general. There are many success stories in Africa.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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That's a complete exaggeration, most goes to health care issues. Eradication of Malaria, Vaccines, nutrition and raising living standards in general. There are many success stories in Africa.
You keep believing that if it makes you feel less swindled where your charity dollar is concerned. Tribal/feudal warlords in Africa need your gullibility to keep the ammo stocked.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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You keep believing that if it makes you feel less swindled where your charity dollar is concerned. Tribal/feudal warlords in Africa need your gullibility to keep the ammo stocked.
Actually of the top 10, only one is in sub-Sahara. You think all of Africa is like Somalia.
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