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Is a religious belief not enough to follow your own conscience? Its a free world.. I support gay rights but those rights STOP when it interferes with another person's rights... For instance, you have a right to throw your fists into the air but those rights STOP when it touches another person's face..
What would you do if the very existence of someone violates these peoples rights to live in a world free of gays, people of color, latinos, Jews , Chinks and so on?
The Bible is a book with many stories with many lessons that leaves it up to its readers to determine what is right and wrong.
So, you agree that Christians cherry pick what they WANT to believe or don't want to believe about the Bible - which is supposed to be the crux of their religion and where their actions stem from? IF they are stories, than you can't take any of it literally.. otherwise we'd be stoning women etc.
It's very convenient to "pick' what you want out of a book that you use to vilify, crucify or discriminate against someone because it's "against the Bible".
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My point is that Christians don't see family life the same as others do.
Their definition is taken from the Bible.
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What you are describing earlier sounds like prejudice, not a belief system. And what you are describing here are followers with different interpretations, not the religion itself. Christians traditionally do not consider a married same-sex couple as a valid marriage. Their idea of marriage is to raise children and have a family.
And discriminating against gay couples is prejudice under the guise of "religion".
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These businesses are not holding animosity towards gay people. As I said before, marriage is considered a religious event/ceremony to some based on their beliefs. Most people who marry are heterosexual couples, not very many homosexual couples.
When you decide not to serve people based on something you do not agree with , you are expressing animosity toward them. If you don't believe in gay marriage, than don't be gay and get married. HOwever, if you own a business and conduct business with the public you can't decide who you serve because you hold a prejudice against them.
Bills filed in the South Dakota and Kansas legislatures seek to protect clergy, church officials and businesspeople who refuse to provide services for same-sex marriages or receptions because of their religious beliefs.
The bills would prevent clergy or businesses from being forced to perform or supply goods or services to anything related to same-sex marriages. It could allow a business to refuse to host a reception for a same-sex couple legally married in another state.
The bills also say clergy and businesses could not be sued or charged with crimes if they refused to take part in gay marriages.
I support state sanctioned same sex marriage and if religious institutions want to take part in them, that's fine. Those religious institutions that oppose same sex marriage should not be forced to accept it. Can't you leave people alone and let them have their religious beliefs? You're showing that liberals want to push their beliefs on others. Go about your life and let others go about their life.
it doesnt have to be rhetorical. All you need to do is expalin how the Muslim owned business claimed their beliefs were being violated.
If a restuarant does not serve pork products, are your rights violated because they do not?
If the restuarant serves pancakes, and you want pancakes, but do not serve you because you are of a different religion they dont agree with, are your rights being violated?
hint: Some Muslims follow sharia law which states homosexuality is a punishable crime against god. However, trying to find an example of a Muslim business owner refusing to serve a gay couple in the news is like trying to find an example of a black cop shooting someone.
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Curves is a private MEMBERSHIP only club. The bakery is not a private MEMBERSHIP only club, if the bakery was a private club, then this would not be an issue.
Thanks for that post. I always do enjoy comedy. Apparently women's only private MEMBERSHIP clubs are A-OK. However, men's only private MEMBERSHIP clubs not so much. Isn't it funny how that works in the warped liberal mindset?
So, you agree that Christians cherry pick what they WANT to believe or don't want to believe about the Bible - which is supposed to be the crux of their religion and where their actions stem from? IF they are stories, than you can't take any of it literally.. otherwise we'd be stoning women etc.
It's very convenient to "pick' what you want out of a book that you use to vilify, crucify or discriminate against someone because it's "against the Bible".
Their definition is taken from the Bible.
And discriminating against gay couples is prejudice under the guise of "religion".
When you decide not to serve people based on something you do not agree with , you are expressing animosity toward them. If you don't believe in gay marriage, than don't be gay and get married. HOwever, if you own a business and conduct business with the public you can't decide who you serve because you hold a prejudice against them.
Are you saying that states should be forcing businesses to provide a service in the last part?
You've misunderstood by what I meant about people reading the Bible. Not everything in the Bible is appropriate in modern times. However when it comes to family life, most Christians believe a valid marriage would be between a man and a woman as they can both create a child.
Unlike you I don't want to put people in a tricky situation that doesn't align with their beliefs. It is not a moral way of doing business.
Their religion which for many is very sacred and real to them is part of them..just go somewhere else.
Those people are cowardly bigoted hypocrites. Their discrimination has nothing had all to do with their so-called "sacred" religious beliefs:
We wondered what other requests these cakemakers would decline to honor. So last week five WW reporters called these two bakeries anonymously to get price quotes for other occasions frowned upon by some Christians. Surprisingly, the people who answered the phone at each bakery were quite willing to provide baked goods for celebrations of divorces, unmarried parents, stem-cell research, non-kosher barbecues and pagan solstice parties.
We later contacted both bakeries to ask about these inconsistencies. Regentin declined to comment beyond asking whether she had been taped (she had not).
Sweet Cakes owners Melissa and Aaron Klein were upset that we “would even try to entrap a business” and contacted conservative talk-show host Lars Larson.
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