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Old 01-28-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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Brian Schweitzer, Russ Feingold, Howard Dean, or Elizabeth Warren (in that order) would be good choices if Democrats want to shake things up a bit in 2016, assuming by then Obama's approval ratings are in the 20's and his entire agenda is widely perceived to have been a failure. That's very plausible, considering that Obama's ratings are closely mirroring Bush's so far in the second term.

More conventional possibilities include Cuomo, O'Malley, Biden, and Hickenlooper, if Democrats want more of a continuation of the Obama years, assuming that Obama recovers his ratings and his Presidency or at least holds his own by 2016. It is possible for Obama to do so, but it would be a first; every second-term President who had ratings as low as Obama's are at this point did not recover.

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Agree with this. Dems will want another shot at a "history making" vote. DH says she's "easier on the eye" than Hillary (not sure if he's kidding).
If you compare pictures, Warren looks quite a bit younger than Hillary, despite an age difference of only 2 years. My guess is that the stress of being First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State over 20 years ages a person faster than being an academic and a Senator. I would also guess that Warren ages a bit slower than Hillary all other things being equal.

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I'm also thinking Gov. Jerry Brown of California may be a possibility.
Jerry Brown would be 78 upon inauguration, so he would be a very old President, but he's very spry, energetic, and healthy, so I think he'd make it just fine through four years and his age probably wouldn't be an issue. People don't raise the age issue with spry candidates, with Ron Paul in 2012 being a prime example. A prime example of the opposite was McCain in 2008, who appeared geriatric and tired, and the age question was raised often, despite McCain in 2008 being 5 years younger than Paul in 2012.

All that said, however, I'd be surprised if he did run.

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I don't see Cuomo putting in his bid this time around, he seems to be more of a 2024 possibility.
In 2024 he'll be 67 years old and will have either served for 13 years as Governor or have been out of office for 5 years (if he chooses to stand down after 8 years). I don't really see what advantage Cuomo would have in 2024 that he wouldn't have in 2016. If you ask me, he'll be running in either 2016 or 2020. If Hillary doesn't run, I think he'd be in a great position to run for the nomination; whether he'd get it or not in the 2016 political climate is a very good question.

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doesn't matter because the GOP doesn't have anyone who can win.
That's rather presumptuous; it may humble you to take a look at what Republicans were saying about the Democratic hopes to win the White House back in 2006.

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Possible push for a way to keep Presidente Hussein in office for a 3rd term.....maybe even a lifetime appointment???
Obama wouldn't win even if he could run for a third term. A poll late last year found that if the election were held in November 2013 rather than November 2012 Obama would have actually lost to Romney, and this is despite Romney being a very weak candidate with a very weak message that did not jive with the mood of the people at all, and being one of the few candidates people hated more than Obama in 2012.

Keep in mind that despite what you hear from his supporters, Obama barely won in 2012 with only a 3 point margin under false pretenses (c.f. Obamacare). If the same election were held in 2013 he would have lost by 4 points, which is perhaps the best argument ever made for annual elections.

At any rate, applying what is called a uniform national swing of 7 points, that extra margin for Romney in 2013 would have been enough to flip Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Iowa, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to the Republican column. The actual results would vary a bit from this due to elasticity and local issues, but there is a comfortable 331 electoral votes there for Romney in 2013, which is almost exactly the number Obama got in 2012 (332) . The point is, though, that it's more than enough to win the Presidency, which stands in stark contrast to the situation in 2012.

Considering all this, and also considering that every second-term President with ratings as low as Obama has now had much lower ratings by the time the next election rolled around, I would say that barring some miraculous recovery Obama would lose pretty badly in 2016 if he could run and was willing to run.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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In my opinion, Hillary ramps up her campaign to the extent possible without making a commitment until after the 2014 midterms. If the GOP takes the Senate majority, she won't run for President in 2016. If the GOP does not win the majority, she takes her chances that Democrats have a shot at winning the House or increasing the Dem majority in the Senate for 2016. She's waiting for the mid-terms to play out.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It's bad only when people like Palin do something similar. When a D does it, it's groundbreaking.
There is a difference between leaving office to run for something else and just quitting. The comparison is ridiculous.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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The war drums appear to be beating louder and more rambunctious within the excitement of the possibility of anointing Hillary as their crowning candidate before even the ribbon is cut within the past week.

But with all of the animosity surrounding the possibility and likleyhood of her making a final run for it (reminiscent of Mitt Romney)... the what if factor has to come into the equation at some point...

So who is the next one in line for the party? Who can the Democrats depend on if Hillary decides that her time is up?
I was thinking they would get Gov. Christie to run a democrat, but they've burned that bridge already.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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There is a difference between leaving office to run for something else and just quitting. The comparison is ridiculous.
At least leaving office was an honest move.

Whereas Obama broke his promise to serve out his six year term in office as a senator. That should have been a prelude to illustrate that he is a man whose word means nothing, and has no honor. Not only does he break his promises, he does a 180 reversal and does the complete opposite of what he promised.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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This article has a little more detail as to how the subject of Bill Clinton came up....



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Paul's comments about Lewinsky come as Democrats have ramped up efforts to



cast the GOP as unfriendly to women, highlighting issues such as abortion,



contraception and equal pay. Meanwhile, recent Republican efforts to improve
the


party's standing with women voters have fallen flat.




Rand Paul slams Bill Clinton over 'predatory behavior' with Lewinsky | Politics and Government | Kentucky.com
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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At least leaving office was an honest move.

Whereas Obama broke his promise to serve out his six year term in office as a senator. That should have been a prelude to illustrate that he is a man whose word means nothing, and has no honor. Not only does he break his promises, he does a 180 reversal and does the complete opposite of what he promised.

Pretty much everyone who has run for President who was either a Governor or Senator has done the same thing (both parties). Quitting is not even remotely in the same category.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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Pretty much everyone who has run for President who was either a Governor or Senator has done the same thing (both parties). Quitting is not even remotely in the same category.
I'd rather they resign from office like Palin and Dole did, rather then ignore their duties to the office they were elected to, while campaigning all over the country. Even when they are tending to their duties, their actions are 100% political and a self-serving extension of their political campaign.

'Resign to Run' Would Alter White House Field | News & Analysis | The Rothenberg Political Report

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has missed more than half of the votes in the 110th Congress. Sens. Joseph Biden (D-Del.), Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) have each missed at least a third of this year’s votes. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has missed 18 percent.

GOP Reps. Duncan Hunter (Calif.), Tom Tancredo (Colo.) and Ron Paul (Texas) have missed more than a quarter of the votes in the House, while Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) has missed about 12 percent, the best percentage of a sitting legislator running for president.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Biden


PLEASE nominate Biden! That would be the equivalent of Dan Quayle running for the job.

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Patrick, O'Malley, Booker
Who?

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Cuomo
You mean the guy that openly demonstrated his disdain for more than half the country recently? Yeah, sure, he's got a shot...
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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you know what this world needs??? ....

Killary Hinton | Liberal Logic 101
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