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Old 01-31-2014, 01:13 AM
 
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Stephen Hawking's new theory offers black hole escape - physics-math - 24 January 2014 - New Scientist

OOPS!!

This quote from Samuel Braunstein was rich...



Lmao....these are SCIENTISTS talking!!

Why are countries still being coerced to dump BILLIONS of dollars into this junk that is absolutely going nowhere?

So, black holes were proven with empirical evidence. But now they actually aren't and if they ARE in fact what we believe them to be...we might learn something from them, or not.
You seem to be trying to discredit Stephan Hawking and science in general.
Stephen Hawking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is that the point of this topic? As Mr Hawking isnt here to defend his science we can only speculate what the out come of a debate would be between you and him..
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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You seem to be trying to discredit Stephan Hawking and science in general.
Stephen Hawking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is that the point of this topic? As Mr Hawking isnt here to defend his science we can only speculate what the out come of a debate would be between you and him..
I'd be discrediting science only if QT actually WAS science.

80 years and quantum theorists still haven't resolved their hypothesis in line with the laws of GR. They've changed the definition of observation. They've marginalized the term "explanation". Isn't science supposed to test our intuition with accuracy? And as a society, we are nowhere near the point where this math is intuitive.

There would only be two outcomes in a debate with Stephen Hawking and everybody in this thread. (And I'd wager in the entire site)

1 - they would disagree out of ignorant skepticism

Or

2 - they would cede out of ignorant faith

That's it.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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I'd be discrediting science only if QT actually WAS science.

80 years and quantum theorists still haven't resolved their hypothesis in line with the laws of GR. They've changed the definition of observation. They've marginalized the term "explanation". Isn't science supposed to test our intuition with accuracy? And as a society, we are nowhere near the point where this math is intuitive.

There would only be two outcomes in a debate with Stephen Hawking and everybody in this thread. (And I'd wager in the entire site)

1 - they would disagree out of ignorant skepticism

Or

2 - they would cede out of ignorant faith

That's it.
Then there are the other possible outcomes,

like disagreeing because of knowledgeable skepticicm,

or agreeing out of knowledge.

Your assertion that everyone on the site is ignorant is duly noted as the insult that you intended.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: North America
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Then there are the other possible outcomes,

like disagreeing because of knowledgeable skepticicm,

or agreeing out of knowledge.

Your assertion that everyone on the site is ignorant is duly noted as the insult that you intended.

Chin seems to be an elitist. My opinion or no opinion.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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Then there are the other possible outcomes,

like disagreeing because of knowledgeable skepticicm,

or agreeing out of knowledge.

Your assertion that everyone on the site is ignorant is duly noted as the insult that you intended.
Thanks to the awesome QM we can agree that all those possibilities are true at the same time. Until we open our mouths, then the result can only be one, BUT totally random.

Don't you love it?

It was not an intended as an *insult* but as a mere observation and not one limited to the scope of this site.

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And as a society, we are nowhere near the point where this math is intuitive.
Should have qualified that.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Chin seems to be an elitist. My opinion or no opinion.

I am. I am also not an elitist. Same for you!
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:36 PM
 
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It is quite apparent that those on this forum who vilify me, particularly Vote_Chef, have no knowledge of the subject matter.

One does not need mathematics to prove that Hawking's latest claims are as spurious as all his previous writings on black holes and big bangs.

Hawking

Stephen J. Crothers
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:31 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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I am laughing with you.

They never had any empirical evidence.

By the way these are theoretical physicists not scientists. They're like philosophers/theologians shaping reality with their mythamatics.

theoretical scientist don't want definitive proof on how the universe works, if they had all the answers they would be out of a job..
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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It is quite apparent that those on this forum who vilify me, particularly Vote_Chef, have no knowledge of the subject matter.

One does not need mathematics to prove that Hawking's latest claims are as spurious as all his previous writings on black holes and big bangs.

Hawking

Stephen J. Crothers
you have one post and you are feeling vilified already? are you serious?
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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you have one post and you are feeling vilified already? are you serious?
And by me no less!

One might imagine a great and serious thinker would A) have better things to do; and B) know how to properly place a link in his message. Just sayin'.
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