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Old 01-28-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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I could not care less.
Tell us why.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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Surely you understand the difference between market research and spying on your whereabouts, your sexual orientation, your contact list, etc?
Do you? You are contending that the government is mining the information already gathered by the company, therefore the company has already been doing it.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:29 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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This is the change Obama promised us. Full transparency.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Tell us why.
I suspect few who commented actually read the article The article was speculative at best. It did not say the NSA was gathering such info. It said our corporate friends have such data and that NSA might have an interest in tapping those databases and information flows. The threat is corporate America sharing and misusing personal information all in agreement with those disclosures no one reads. If you don't want anyone including the gov to get your picture, don't put it on Facebook or give it to corporations that give it to others. In other words, don't go online. The internet is not something I want to give up. So I simply accept that privacy is a remnant of a bye gone age - like so much these days. Oh well.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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I suspect few who commented actually read the article The article was speculative at best. It did not say the NSA was gathering such info. It said our corporate friends have such data and that NSA might have an interest in tapping those databases and information flows. The threat is corporate America sharing and misusing personal information all in agreement with those disclosures no one reads. If you don't want anyone including the gov to get your picture, don't put it on Facebook or give it to corporations that give it to others. In other words, don't go online. The internet is not something I want to give up. So I simply accept that privacy is a remnant of a bye gone age - like so much these days. Oh well.
I fundamentally disagree with this lackadaisical and apathetic view of government overreach. So much so that I cannot relate to anyone who harbors the view that if you don't want to the government to spy on you, then a person simply should not engage in an activity. Mindboggling indeed.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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I fundamentally disagree with this lackadaisical and apathetic view of government overreach. So much so that I cannot relate to anyone who harbors the view that if you don't want to the government to spy on you, then a person simply should not engage in an activity. Mindboggling indeed.
Then your grievance is with the company, as they are the one collecting the data in the first place. You seem to have glossed over this fact. Is there something about you that companies have the right to know but governments do not, both do, or neither? The premise is simple, you shouldn't share things you wouldn't want others to know. This is openly available information that anybody with the time and desire can find out. The government being expedient about it doesn't mean it is something they couldn't find out in the first place. If they could find out your sexual orientation through an app, they could do it through openly available information without much additional work. Is it spying if you have made the information publicly available?
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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I suspect few who commented actually read the article The article was speculative at best. It did not say the NSA was gathering such info. It said our corporate friends have such data and that NSA might have an interest in tapping those databases and information flows. The threat is corporate America sharing and misusing personal information all in agreement with those disclosures no one reads. If you don't want anyone including the gov to get your picture, don't put it on Facebook or give it to corporations that give it to others. In other words, don't go online. The internet is not something I want to give up. So I simply accept that privacy is a remnant of a bye gone age - like so much these days. Oh well.
Yes, the new accepted answer for life...oh well, what difference does it make.
Yes, simply accept that your freedoms are vanishing. Oh well ,what difference does it make.
Apathy can become a dangerous downfall.
The good news....people that do care will be more active and can therefore make a difference, with or without the apathetic.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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Then your grievance is with the company, as they are the one collecting the data in the first place. You seem to have glossed over this fact. Is there something about you that companies have the right to know but governments do not, both do, or neither? The premise is simple, you shouldn't share things you wouldn't want others to know. This is openly available information that anybody with the time and desire can find out. The government being expedient about it doesn't mean it is something they couldn't find out in the first place. If they could find out your sexual orientation through an app, they could do it through openly available information without much additional work. Is it spying if you have made the information publicly available?
Why would Best Buy know my sexual orientation, where I traveled this past weekend, the contacts in my phone, etc?

Point me to the provisions of the law that allow them to collect this information surreptitiously from my phone as the NSA is doing.

This is a challenge for you to back up your words....not rhetoric. Show me.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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Surely you understand the difference between market research and spying on your whereabouts, your sexual orientation, your contact list, etc?

To illustrate, tell us when, where, and why you let BestBuy know you're a homosexual and where you traveled this past weekend. Thanks!
Actually, the lines have been blurred for sometime with so-called private and govt agencies. Most people don't read the EULAS. The legalese opens the doors in many ways. Cloud computing has added another issue as has smart phones etc... Good news is that it is coming out, some of it anyway, what has been going on in the dark.

Here's just one company, there are many others. Don't forget that govt owns large shares of these transnationals. DMV's have been selling people's information for years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

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Old 01-28-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Yes, the new accepted answer for life...oh well, what difference does it make.
Yes, simply accept that your freedoms are vanishing. Oh well ,what difference does it make.
Apathy can become a dangerous downfall.
The good news....people that do care will be more active and can therefore make a difference, with or without the apathetic.

Hillary? Is that you?


LOL! I kid. I kid.
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