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I voted for Obama and in spite all problems I still think it was a better choice than Romney.
Romney was absolutely hollow, with nothing to offer but rhetoric to please republicans.
I agree, they gave us no one to really vote for, to assure Obama another term, why can't American's see this and see the incompetence?
I mean, seriously?
so, I voted for the Independents, and lost all votes to Obama....and they know that.
I have a friend, who years ago, used to count the votes with her husband, for our area...and she told me, while they were driving over with the counted votes to report, over the radio, came the winner, and they had not yet turned the votes in????? She doesn't lie and I realize it was all about electorial votes, which is something else that needs to be fixed...however, still, it is insulting.
I voted for Obama and in spite all problems I still think it was a better choice than Romney.
Romney was absolutely hollow, with nothing to offer but rhetoric to please republicans.
I have to admit Obama is not a very good manger and Romney is probably better, but that is not what the presidency is about.
by the way, did you ever have Oberon Wine, it is really good.
Some of what you say resonates with me. I also felt very uneasy with all the early adulation, all the rock-star reception, with all the hero-worship, with all the tingles that so many in addition to Mathews were feeling. We were preparing to vote for someone who would be in a very serious position and who ultimately was going to work for US. We were voting for a public servant for the highest office in the land, but I didn't get the feeling that others felt the same way I did.
I kept wondering why people were excited because he was black. He had no executive experience. He had no managment experience at all. He had very little experience even as a junior senator. He had associations and a history of drug use that would have precluded him from becoming a police officer because he wouldn't be able to pass the background check.
I didn't vote for Obama. But even with all the concerns that I had that this country was voting for the wrong person for the wrong reasons, when he WAS elected President of the United States I didn't want him to fail. The election was done. He was the president now. He was MY president now, and I wanted him to only succeed - because if he succeeded, we would all succeed.
The oceans haven't ceased to rise and the planet hasn't begun to heal and five years later I can say that Obama was the wrong person for the wrong time.
George Washington or Abraham Lincoln would never be voted in today.. they were not cool enough. Brains are out and cool is in.
The tea party for lower taxes and small government is actually the Republican party reborn.. the other republicans are actually the democratic party of years ago.. the new democratic party of today is the socialist party.
Sums up my view of the parties today.
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Originally Posted by EdwardA
I voted for Obama in '08. I really was trying to vote for McCain but his immigration stance and his economic ignorance was a barrier. Frankly in hindsight I don't really regret or blame anyone for voting for Obama in '08. The media was in the tank for him and McCain wasn't all that impressive. His own state party has declared him a liberal.
Now folks that voted for Obama in '12 are the people who should feel a shamed IMHO.
Yep. Even though I didn't vote for Obama at that time McCain was really meh. I was hoping people would wake up come 2012 but that time has come and gone.
Let's not be unfair here. Equally deserving of criticism is the Republican establishment that couldn't field a candidate or platform that people want. As much as Obama sucks, their only attempt to sway voters is telling them that the sky is falling and that our relatively cushy lives as we know them are over, and the American public simply isn't dumb enough to fall for it.
I have to agree with you. McCain was as bad as it gets.
yeah well, that also goes for republicans to....and let me tell you, if someone is running that won't play ball by the rules, they sabatoge him/her....when American's start waking up to that fact, maybe they will start understanding reality. It really ticks me off when people, like my sister tells me, that if I don't vote, that throws away my vote, well, I'm sick to death of voting for candidates that are inexperience, and only play but the rules of the rich! I'm sick to death of voting for candidates that don't give a darn about Americans, and lie, lie, lie to get in office, and I'm highly embarrassed by the Americans who will only vote for a candidate simply b/c they are republican, or democrate, or who make statements, that b/c the candidate is black, or a woman, I'm going to vote for her/him.
Americans have put themselves in this position, they are out of touch with the reality of what is going on out there, and how corrupt our nation is. And forgive me, I'm not angry with you, I'm just angry with the whole sense of it...and how stupid most American's are, and if you are insulted, by this comment, (you meaning anyone who reads this) perhaps you need to rethink the way you think and believe.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, CREMEBRULEE.
Sadly, I see Obama as playing into the rich Hollywood types as well as the rich Rap culture folks as sickening, and no different than Dick Cheney being tied into rich corporate America.
Power, privilege and money.
And being all caught up on one issue, whether the race of the candidate, gay marriage, abortion, immigration, etc. is not the way to make a decision on who will LEAD the country. After all, a leader has to be able to lead folks with different opinions and beliefs. So a leader cannot be totally aligned with only one side of every issue. A leader has to be able to not only compromise, but lead others to compromise and cooperation - for the greater good of all.
I have no idea who would be a good candidate but I feel pretty certain it isn't anyone I know of who is now on the political scene. I don't trust any of them, to be frank. I used to feel good about Hillary but after the Beghazi mess and how she handled all that - oh my. :-(
The first time I heard Obama talk I didn't like him ... his words were not ringing true.I looked deeper and listened carefully.. it is not that I can't like a democrat.. because there are some democrats I like. Obama is not even a democrat. He is a socialist who hates America as it is and hated America for its history. That is what the transformation is.. Obama nation taking place . Not for the people , but for Obama.
Obama's message , he was going to fix the world.. he downed the United States to the world apologizing for us. Obama had the baggage of his church leader Wright all over him.. his words were anti-white from the beginning.
I know this truth.. out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and his words told me who and what he was.
I voted for Obama and in spite all problems I still think it was a better choice than Romney.
Romney was absolutely hollow, with nothing to offer but rhetoric to please republicans.
I have to admit Obama is not a very good manger and Romney is probably better, but that is not what the presidency is about.
I am not trying to be snarky, so please forgive me if that is how this comes across. I am genuinely interested in why you said "that is not what the presidency is all about" in regard to being a good manager.
I would say that is EXACTLY what the Presidency is all about - LEADERSHIP. So i really want to know why you think it isn't what it is all about.
And again, not intending to be snarky. Serious question.
Possibly. Even though Obama is terrible, most Republicans today have become evil incarnate. It's like choosing between whether I'd want to eat a handful of worms, or set myself on fire.
I'd probably stay home today.
Please help me understand why you think most Republicans are evil incarnate.
We need to have a real and open and honest discussion in this country about what we all want and how to find the right leaders and until we all are on the same page as to what we do and don't want in our leaders -- we can't move forward.
What is it that turns you off to the GOP in general - is it that the people who get the focus these days are ultra conservative right wingers? Was it the Tea Party insistence on a balanced budget and reducing government spending?
You see, I think all of us actually want the same thing. All of us - meaning - the American public.
Sure, there may be some differences on side issues. But on the BIG issues, we all agree. Why can't we have a President who represents that - a coming together? We all want jobs, education, access to healthcare, a safe place to live, low crime, recognition of our families (however they are put together!), care for the elderly.
Seems to me that is the place to start - how do we get those things and who will represent us in that endeavor.
I don't consider it a shortcoming. The negative reaction didn't bother me in the least or change my opinion. I wanted Obama to fail and in many aspects I got my wish.
But when a President fails -- any President! -- it means the American public reaps the devastation of those failures.
I felt Obama was not experienced enough and was all "fluff" and media hype, so I didn't vote for him.
But I never wanted him to FAIL. His failures translate into the American public's misery. Plain and simple.
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