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Old 01-30-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I realize that most people these days hate the government and don't want them involved in their life in any way. But is having them control the healthcare system all that bad? I'm not saying America should be socialist, but medicine should be the one thing that is socialized.

And I know everyone is going to say that the government would start rationing healthcare and making you wait a long time to see a doctor. I'm not sure if that's entirely true, but I believe it's better than the alternative.

It's obvious that healthcare costs have skyrocketed lately and so many people can't afford their premiums. If there was a national healthcare system, people wouldn't have to worry about paying hundreds of dollars in premiums per month or filing bankruptcy on medical bills.

I'm not saying that Obamacare is perfect, but it does have some positives. For example, people can no longer be denied health insurance for pre-existing conditions. I know that some will say these people should have been more responsible and bought health insurance when they were healthy, but it isn't always that simple. What if the person got laid off and lost all his benefits then got cancer? Was that his fault? Also, there are no lifetime caps on health insurance benefits anymore. I have heard horror stories about people using all of their health insurance benefits on cancer and then get denied treatment after it all runs out. How is that fair?

Although there might be problems with a national healthcare system, I really do believe it's better than the alternative. Everyone says that they don't trust the government, but it's the insurance companies I don't trust. They will do anything in their power to deny paying for treatment if someone gets really sick.

What does everyone think?
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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No, it really isn't.

My folks, and me til I was, like, 22 or so, lived, ate, and breathed government-controlled healthcare. It worked.

Millions stilll do.

Military provided, of course.

"Socialized" government health care - decades and decades of presence in our society.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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The ACA nor the government controls the healthcare of people. It does put controls on costs and on insurance companies to prevent them from discrimination and overcharging etc. there are limits to what they will pay for, rightfully so, but they don't determine the actual care of a patient in any way.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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Yeah, a LOT of people think the ACA =provides= insurance instead of the Republican-mandated private insurance industry.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It's obvious that healthcare costs have skyrocketed lately and so many people can't afford their premiums. If there was a national healthcare system, people wouldn't have to worry about paying hundreds of dollars in premiums per month
Hilarious.

Not only does this person have no curiosity WHY healthcare costs have skyrocketed ever since government got involved in the 1940... but he blissfully ignores the fact that "paying hundreds of dollars in premiums per month" is exactly what Obamacare has now mandated we do, whether we like it or not!

Stalin had a word for such a person. Two words, actually, when translated to English.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I assume by government controlled healthcare you mean single payer? A single payer system seems like the answer because you have 1 sheriff who polices everyone.

It won’t work either because it devolves into price controls and ultimately it reinforces a 2 tier system (partially exists today) that has people able to pay for their health care access to doctors and those that can’t find a doctor because the single payer reimbursement rate is too low.

If people were given a credit to buy their own health care and keep whatever they don’t spend, you would start to see some downward pressure on health care costs. Taxing health care benefits is one way to get people to pay attention. Single payer…… not so much.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:13 PM
 
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Many people believe the slogan that a government can do no right. Ignoring the many examples throughout the world that they are wrong.

Many people believe that capitalism will ALWAYS result in great results. Ignoring the many examples throughout the world that they are wrong.

Many people dont live in reality.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Sinkholeville
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The purpose of any government is to protect the borders.

Until they do that, they deserve no share of the marketplace.
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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Hilarious.

Not only does this person have no curiosity WHY healthcare costs have skyrocketed ever since government got involved in the 1940... but he blissfully ignores the fact that "paying hundreds of dollars in premiums per month" is exactly what Obamacare has now mandated we do, whether we like it or not!

Stalin had a word for such a person. Two words, actually, when translated to English.
Soooo if we look around the world...where are some of the best healthcare at the lowest cost? Oh right...in countries where its socialized.....
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Hilarious.

Not only does this person have no curiosity WHY healthcare costs have skyrocketed ever since government got involved in the 1940... but he blissfully ignores the fact that "paying hundreds of dollars in premiums per month" is exactly what Obamacare has now mandated we do, whether we like it or not!

Stalin had a word for such a person. Two words, actually, when translated to English.
So why do you think healthcare costs have skyrocketed? I believe it's because hospitals are putting profits above people.
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