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Old 02-06-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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But all are not supposed to. Nature culls the weak ones.
We are not turtles, we are human beings. And human beings care for other humans that are injured, in trouble, or need help.

Even Homo neanderthalensis a.k.a. Neanderthal man "showed compassion to their group members by caring for them when they were sick or injured."

Chapter 12: From Hominin to Homo | How Humans Evolved, 6e: W. W. Norton StudySpace


If you republicans would at least behave like Neanderthals, then this country would be a much better place.

Chad.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Is your above statement a joke, an attempt to upset me, or a statement written by someone with -0- knowledge of American history?

Chad.
Spoken by someone who went to college within 2 miles of one of the poorest neighborhoods in the nation than. Who saw Welfare mamas showing their kids how to use food stamps (Pre SNAP days), telling them "You'll need to know for when you grow up". A neighborhood with an out of wedlock birth rate beyond 75%, a high school dropout rate above 60%.

There are people who refuse to help themselves, and behave disfunctionally. We owe them NOTHING.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:15 PM
 
Location: southern california
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americans have got to stop going to college @ 120 dollars a unit and putting off working for 20 years, and start going to trade schools. they needs some hard skills and some work and some money.
wakey wakey kids time to grow up. daddy is mostly dead.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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So wages are immune to supply and demand? Really?
Is that what gathered from my post? Lol
Many wages are set by collective bargaining and many by negotiation of contract of employment. Many are kept artificially high by professional licenses. It's like a price of a gallon of milk which varies from store to store even though the demand in the same geographical area should be the same.

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Old 02-06-2014, 10:05 PM
 
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First of all this premise is wrong, and secondly, let's stop the public assistance.

Imagine when you hire people, you think "Hmm, I am going to pay him a little less because he gets public assistance anyway."

Anyways, let's stop the public assistance!

I don't have to imagine anything, public assistance plays a big role in setting wages. It's an indirect subsidy by the US government. Yes, we can stop welfare but than you'd be scared to live the house.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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What's truly mind boggling is why people can't just find a better paying job if they want more money???

It's quicker and easier as it requires no legislation.

But for whatever reason you don't want to do that, you want other people just pay you more for no reason.

Why is it mind boggling? Jobs are very competitive and therefore not that easy to get.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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$120? I paid $400 per credit about twenty years ago....



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americans have got to stop going to college @ 120 dollars a unit and
putting off working for 20 years, and start going to trade schools. they needs some hard skills and some work and some money.
wakey wakey kids time to grow up. daddy is mostly dead.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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And what should those individuals be doing for themselves?
Most large companies and factories offer a large number of courses to build employee skills. Skills that can be used in other places. I know I have taken advantage of them. I was hired to be a machine operator. I took courses and worked with line mechanics to learn industrial mechanics. I took courses on pneumatics and Hydraulics. I learned to weld and fabricate parts on a lathe. I made myself more valuable, not only to the company, but as an individual.
I have been offered a job as far away as Thailand to be a maintenance specialist in a factory that makes extruded aluminum products. I make paper towels now.
My point is some people endeavor to always improve themselves and some trust in fate. I can go to any factory that uses automated equipment and I have the skills to be desirable. I know a lot of people where I work that if the company closed the gates, they would be ruined. They are lazy. They make no attempt to be anything more than the absolute minimum, they complain about everything. They spend more energy avoiding a task than it would have taken to just do the job.
Not all unemployed are like these people, but no doubt a good many are. So the question is what should people as individuals be doing other than relying on Government generosity to support them?
By the way I agree we as a modern society have an obligation to help the least of us. Where we differ is on who the least of us are. The least of us are those who have no ability to fend for themselves. The truly disabled. Those born unable to ever be independent. Those injured and unable to fend for themselves. We need to take care of these people, have compassion. Those who refuse to adapt? Improve themselves? Relocate? make hard choices? Work more than 1 job? No we don't owe them much.

??? I have never been offered skill-building courses, or educational discounts, or insurance, or fringe benefits beyond free fountain drinks. Dunno about this work environment you describe.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:01 AM
 
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When I was little, my parents used to tell me "If you don't study, nobody is going to study for you."

What you said is precisely the problem but instead of giving those people money, it's a WHOLE lot better to teach them how to fish.

Cool, who will teach a burger flipper how to fish, and at what price?
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:38 AM
 
Location: central Oregon
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$120? I paid $400 per credit about twenty years ago....


I paid $45.00 for a full 12 credits at Phoenix College in 1976!

When I graduated in '79 I was making minimum wage working as a pre-school teacher. I DID make enough money working a 40 hour week to afford my own apartment... with money left over.
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